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Martyn Willis your host and we have ray

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Hernandez coming up as our guest tonight

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each and every listener whether you can

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help us out or not and we are ready to

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move on with Alejandro how are you I'm

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doing well my friend good good so you're

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gonna be on the beach coming up here

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again yeah I love the beach I'm addicted

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to the beach and you live in the devil

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it's just delightful now is there some

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something about there's a some type of

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that I'm taking skirts along the border

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it was this area was over ran by Mexican

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so what's going on from the news this

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week the news so I want to talk UFO

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think they're pretty cool but yeah I'm

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those last week but we've gotten some

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kind of a and the second story is like a

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whoa hmm okay exciting huh hmm you ready

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for it

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yeah so let's do that yeah so okay this

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9:50 p.m. and there's his family that

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finished dinner they went and hugged

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their friends goodbye but as they went

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outside they were leaving you know one

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of them said hey what's that so they

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looked over and they saw these three

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the trees they kept staring at it and

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coming towards them they said that the

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triangular lights were orange reddish

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closer and closer so they were getting

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real excited they were scrambling to try

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to take a video or a picture but as you

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difficult to get points of light at the

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night and there their phones weren't

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really picking it up so they watched it

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seconds later the third one faded out

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in silence kind of staring at each other

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went their merry ways why is it that and

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flag there that's what Chinese lanterns

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that's exactly what happens is you know

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out in the order that they were floated

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in the air they just kind of fade out

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one at a time so it's a perfect

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description of what Chinese lanterns

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would do so that's why I'm a little bit

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skeptical of this one and you know it's

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it's hard because lights at night you

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well I've got video

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they look really weird you know they

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look strange when you have these points

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of lights in the sky that aren't too far

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and they can look like part of a solid

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object when they're moving together but

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I I think this is a case of Chinese

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lanterns could be but sort of triangular

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what the Phoenix lights did they

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flickered out and back on again but

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these didn't flicker back on obviously

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well and I'm you know a firm belief that

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at least the later lights not all of

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them but the later lights of the the

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Phoenix lights were not lanterns but

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flares yeah I've got videos of those

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goldwater from my house here in Phoenix

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anyway here's the one that's a little

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more interesting do you ready for this

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one yeah so this is January 7th 2015 but

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it was just submitted recently this was

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a guy driving home towards Phoenixville

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in Pennsylvania and he saw a strange

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light she saw actually a strange light

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she thought maybe it was plane she saw

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three of them it looked like a

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triangular well she couldn't tell what

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it was actually she said it they were

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just really bright as she got closer to

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the lights she decided wow those are way

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too bright to be a helicopter or a plane

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and she says that there was no noise she

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wanted to pull over but she was on the

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highway and there was traffic so she

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didn't think it would be safe at the

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time once she passed but during this

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time she's taking pictures with her

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phone she took a bunch of them and you

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do see these triangular you know these

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three three or four lights together in a

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pattern and once she got past the light

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she said she was able to look back

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and see that it was a triangular-shaped

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craft hmm with these bright lights on

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each corner so and she took a bunch of

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pictures this one's kind of a hmm

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because he could be an aircraft I think

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it wanted the pictures though it looks

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like for light so it could be two

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headlights two lights on each side of

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the wings but all of the lights are

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white and they are kind of interesting

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pictures so I looked for people to kind

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of take a look at that and let us know

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what you think so that one's a little

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more interesting not so easy to figure

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out what the heck that was yeah so all

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these stories will be in our show notes

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links to them that'll bounce over to

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they better they will that is if you

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send me the links and we'll do all right

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so what's the fantastic oh yeah this is

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a cool one because you know as we talked

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about on this show so often you know

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like that last one it could be something

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but it's probably this kind of things

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this is one where I don't know what the

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heck this is you know this one's weird

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this was another one that was videotaped

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this is in Mississippi this one took

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place in February of 2015 this was a

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lady who says she's a 15-year ufologist

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in Memphis in the Memphis area so she

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said that she had been seeing for like a

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week these bright lights in this one

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area so finally one day at it was nearly

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1:00 a.m. she was able to see them so

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she runs outside to go videotape them

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and she did videotape them and it's a

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very interesting video of this cluster

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of lights it's really weird she only got

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20 seconds because it had just snowed

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and she didn't even put on her shoes

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because she wanted to capture it so she

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was walking in the snow and she just

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couldn't take it anymore she had to run

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back inside but she watched these bright

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lights she says we're in a triangular

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formation over the cornfields

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for about 20 minutes before they just

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vanished she said that it appeared that

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there were

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smaller orbs being ejected from this

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larger object that and that it was maybe

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only a hundred feet off the ground so

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this is a really weird one it was

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investigated by mark port a MUFON field

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investigator and he closed it as an

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unknown just saying that they he

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couldn't figure out what it was either

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it's interesting that she claims that

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the lights were in the triangular

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formation because they don't look like

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that at all

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in the video however in the video you

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have a cluster of lights as what you see

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and they're all different shape they

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seem to almost be in different

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directions it's just very strange these

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lights I can't figure out what this

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might be I'd love for people to go take

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a look and maybe make some comments if

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they can figure out what this is but

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yeah this is the story hovering triangle

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UFO video taped by Mississippi witness

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all of these by the way were contributed

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these are articles written by Roger

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Marsh who's a MUFON director of

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communications and he keeps an eye on

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this and what he's been doing is going

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and look at in our picture and video

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cases that have been investigated and

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determined to be unknown by the

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investigator and then posting some

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stories on this so this is a Trevor

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treasure-trove I think of some of the

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best UFO stuff and this is one this is a

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really good video this one's got me

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scratching my head it is and we talked

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about it a little bit on your show and

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yeah check out that video it is really

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strange the way I think I said they're

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like omnidirectional in other words

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they're the clusters of Lights seem to

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be facing out pointing out in different

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directions and it's really bizarre

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footage so check that out again you can

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go through the show notes and it's right

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on open minds dot TV

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Alejandro will you have yourself a great

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time at the beach yeah what are you

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gonna do anything special I know you

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know I mean what they call vacation land

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it's right on our license plate in Maine

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and people sit for hours and hours on

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the

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Turnpike so I am not going anywhere I

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don't think I live right by a lake I

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live where everybody wants to go so I

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might as well stay yeah might as well

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that's great I want to move by the beach

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one day yeah I can tell

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all right well we'll be talking to you

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next week Alejandro have a good one all

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right you two talk you later buddy talk

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to you later so hang in there everyone

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for the quick little music break and

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that clip was provided by one of the

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fans of the show Bruce Renier I believe

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he's up in Canada

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Thank You Bruce and on the line we have

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Rey Hernandez how are you ray I'm great

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doing well and we're gonna talk about

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all different types of things we get you

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know an hour and 45 minutes or so we're

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gonna take a break at the top of the

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hour but before we get into the nuts and

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the bolts of what free is doing and all

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that I wanted to find out who is Rey

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Hernandez and I understand you're an IRS

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tax attorney or you currently are you

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were estate tax estate tax I've been an

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IRS estate tax attorney which is an

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inheritance tax for the

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multimillionaires and we won't go after

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you want unless you die with more than

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five million dollars of net assets well

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you know I wonder if our paths of cross

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I I praise to Merv Griffin's entire

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estate all his properties and after he

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passed away and certainly was you know

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well above that but it's kind of funny

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I'm an estate appraiser that's what I do

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so it's kind of funny how you never know

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you never know I mainly deal with

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accountants CPAs and attorneys but

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previous to that my experience there I

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was an academic at the City University

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of New York and I also taught at other

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universities and I was a director of two

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major programs one was as a director for

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the City University of New York for an

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environmental study sub-project and the

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other one was with the city of New York

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I was a director of the Office of

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Environmental Quality where I supervised

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a very large staff doing innovative

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environmental work and previous to that

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I I went to University of California

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Berkeley where I was a PhD student in

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City and regional planning

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and I have finished all of my coursework

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and when I was writing my dissertation

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my ex-wife got a brain aneurysm which I

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was never able to complete my

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dissertation because I hadn't undertake

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two full-time jobs that two little

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babies to take care of in a wife that

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was not very well and and previous to

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that I went to Cornell University for a

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master's degree and again pretty much

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all straight A's in all these studies so

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if it wasn't for my ex-wife having a

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brain aneurysm I would be an academic

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faculty at a major university somewhere

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in the United States now and presently

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what you're doing for a job it would

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seem like it would take a lot of time in

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other words up seems like a job like

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that is a least of you know 40-hour a

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week plus commute type of position or

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more so how do you find time to do this

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other work that we're doing it's it's

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extremely difficult I basically have no

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life after my IRS work I I don't have

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personal time to tell you the truth I do

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have a thirteen year old daughter and a

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wife and so they're always demanding my

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time and it is very difficult trying to

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to meet the needs of a job of a family

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and to do this work would free because

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as you know we have eleven elite members

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as part of our group the most well-known

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is dr. Edgar Mitchell is one of the

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cofounders of free and and dr. rudy

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shields so it's a it takes a lot a lot

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out of their time as well with the work

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of free but slowly but slowly we're

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we're making progress right right I just

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want to tell the live listener out there

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where we are if you're listening live on

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the Dark Matter digital network or the I

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forget the radio station wherever this

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goes out on you can jump over to podcast

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UFO com we have a chat room that you're

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welcome to engage in we have a question

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up there now I'll get to that in just a

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minute and you can also call on the show

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have a live line here at six oh three

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nine six seven four oh three oh and if

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you do call in you're going to be taken

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in live so watch your language if that

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happens so so and let's go back now if I

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remember right and pardon me if I get

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this wrong but are you it an experience

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or yourself

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oh yes yes and my entire family is my

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wife my daughter and myself I've had

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numerous experiences then which is

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highlight up just a couple of them there

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was a a a metallic little craft of my

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wife saw inside our living room and and

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let me give you a little background for

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that our we had a 16 year old dog at

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Jack Russell Terrier that was very very

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ill before she had her stroke

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so she was walking around like an old

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lady on crutches you know limping around

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she had been taking tons of medications

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and we just you know did not want to put

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her to sleep and so what happened on the

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Saturday night at about 7 or 8 o'clock

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in the evening a stroke our door got a

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stroke and basically became totally

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paralyzed from the neck down and we

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described the symptoms to our vet it was

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a good friend of ours and he said look

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at what you taught me appears like Nana

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which means little girl in Spanish that

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Nana had a stroke and that he says look

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I'll open up my office tomorrow Sunday

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and we could put her to sleep you know

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and my wife wanted a little ceremony for

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her

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he says fine you know whatever you want

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so my wife at that point was very very

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Catholic she grew up in Mexico you had

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to be a church like two or three times a

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week

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definitely Sunday Mass so she started

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praying all night

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for our miraculous cure basically for

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our daughter

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so that Sunday morning at 6 o'clock the

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dog was barking because that's what she

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could do she couldn't move anything else

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but she couldn't move her head she can't

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she could move her head so my wife

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picked her up we saw her he moved her

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around and she was still paralyzed so my

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wife didn't carried her down the stairs

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to bring her to the bathroom to outside

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to see if she could do you know her

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necessities because we didn't know what

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was you know that condition so then I

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went back to sleep so then about 15

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minutes later my wife not 50 minute

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maybe 10 to 15 minutes later my wife is

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yelling at me and it was like right and

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I totally ignore because it's Sunday

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morning at 6 o'clock in the morning so

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after all her yelling I told ignored her

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she went up there and basically hauled

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me out of bed and then she wouldn't tell

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me what it was but she says I need to go

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downstairs I need to go downstairs and

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let me describe what she saw okay but

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that was as I said I well I didn't see

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what she saw I saw something totally

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different what she described was like a

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little craft that looked like an upside

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down you it was roughly two feet wide by

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three feet in height

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metallic shape silverish polished and it

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had two green lights in the middle did

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you say this is actually in the house

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itself in our living room Wow in our

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living room and again I did not see that

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she saw that and so my wife never had

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anything UFO related or et or paranormal

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related in our lives neither one of us

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she knelt down and started praying and

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she basically said if you're a bad

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spirit get the hell out if you're a good

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spirit stay and so and then all of a

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sudden these lights are flickering

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inside and it shot out from the side

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these white fluorescent lights and then

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she that's when she started yelling at

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me to to go downstairs so she hold me

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out of bed and so she went in front of

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me and I was right behind her as soon as

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she got to the bottom of the stairs and

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I was like one or two flights up she

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totally disappeared in front of me okay

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now again what I'm telling you is not

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rational the way you act with these

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types of encounters because you probably

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have heard from other experiences that

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these entities totally control your

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consciousness and your behavior so what

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happened immediately like I didn't even

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pay attention to my wife having

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disappeared I just looked in the corner

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of the room and I saw something totally

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different what I saw was a flow

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loading plasma beam and I call it a

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being because it for what I'm about to

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tell you let me describe it it was

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basically two and a half to three feet

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wide about a foot and a half in height

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look like pure energy pure plasma

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rectangular in shape but it didn't have

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any external edges to it because it was

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pure energy semi translucent

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multicolored not like a rainbow we have

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one color attached to another but like

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all these colors mixing and matching and

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flowing all inside and what I did is

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basically wave my hand at it and I said

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i BS you know then I turned around I

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walked up the stairs I went to bed put

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my hands on the chest look straight up

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at the ceiling and within a minute I was

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knocked out okay I must have been

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knocked out I didn't we didn't check the

541
00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:38,130
time anywhere from 15 minutes to a half

542
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:40,500
an hour I'm not sure then I woke up and

543
00:24:45,230 --> 00:24:43,050
but then I was fully conscious and I

544
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:45,240
said to myself holy cow you know what

545
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:47,250
the hell just happened you know and I

546
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:49,050
ran downstairs and there in the living

547
00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:50,880
room my wife is dancing around the floor

548
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:52,860
saying the Angels cured her the angel

549
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:55,290
scared of the Angels Carolyn and and I

550
00:24:58,580 --> 00:24:57,090
was like what angels you know well you

551
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:58,590
saw them you saw them I said why I

552
00:25:03,020 --> 00:25:00,240
didn't see an angel what I saw was this

553
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:03,030
plasma thing you know I mean I went

554
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:04,530
upstairs it put me to sleep for a half

555
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:06,090
an hour 15 minutes whatever it was and

556
00:25:12,770 --> 00:25:09,810
says and then from she then described

557
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:12,780
what she saw now for the rest of the day

558
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:15,600
was pure pandemonium and pure confusion

559
00:25:19,780 --> 00:25:17,520
we were never scared at all it was just

560
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:19,790
because my wife always saw it as angel

561
00:25:24,410 --> 00:25:22,650
to me I saw that plasma thing you know

562
00:25:25,910 --> 00:25:24,420
and I didn't know that she was praying

563
00:25:29,810 --> 00:25:25,920
she didn't tell me that until much later

564
00:25:32,980 --> 00:25:29,820
on so what I realized many many months

565
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:32,990
later was this concept of missing time

566
00:25:38,420 --> 00:25:36,570
because to her I was right behind her

567
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:38,430
going down the stairs when she looked

568
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:40,530
down and then she saw a door was totally

569
00:25:45,310 --> 00:25:43,530
cured the dog when I got downstairs was

570
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:45,320
like running around like a little puppy

571
00:25:50,150 --> 00:25:47,970
jumping up and down you know like a foot

572
00:25:52,940 --> 00:25:50,160
foot and a half like a Jack Russell does

573
00:25:55,070 --> 00:25:52,950
and she was like like a teenager you

574
00:25:56,570 --> 00:25:55,080
know it wasn't even the old dog before

575
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:56,580
the stroke you know walking like

576
00:25:59,539 --> 00:25:58,080
gingerly with the arthritis and

577
00:26:02,450 --> 00:25:59,549
everything now you know

578
00:26:05,749 --> 00:26:02,460
and and so for a long time it was just

579
00:26:07,369 --> 00:26:05,759
uh bewilderment and immediately I went

580
00:26:11,330 --> 00:26:07,379
to the internet and I typed in you know

581
00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:11,340
UFOs ETS you know aliens paranormal you

582
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:12,809
know because I had no concept of what

583
00:26:18,649 --> 00:26:15,600
this was now this part of me was this

584
00:26:20,899 --> 00:26:18,659
the first the first incident yes this

585
00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:20,909
was the very first incident it was March

586
00:26:26,659 --> 00:26:25,529
of 2012 March fourth of 2012 and then

587
00:26:28,369 --> 00:26:26,669
what happened I won't go into the

588
00:26:30,979 --> 00:26:28,379
details but there was three incidences

589
00:26:34,220 --> 00:26:30,989
where my wife saw a craft two times she

590
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:34,230
called it down and twice they were

591
00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:36,450
witnesses mainly her family members that

592
00:26:42,409 --> 00:26:38,820
had witnessed this craft with her with

593
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:42,419
her and then one time I called on a

594
00:26:46,249 --> 00:26:44,730
craft but it was playfully because the

595
00:26:48,019 --> 00:26:46,259
night before I had seen this guy on

596
00:26:49,729 --> 00:26:48,029
YouTube calling down a craft in the

597
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:49,739
middle of the day and this little speck

598
00:26:53,149 --> 00:26:51,690
appeared and so it was already at 9

599
00:26:55,729 --> 00:26:53,159
o'clock at night it was totally cloudy

600
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:55,739
night and I was waiting for this friend

601
00:26:59,479 --> 00:26:57,840
of mine to give me some papers and I

602
00:27:01,249 --> 00:26:59,489
said what the hell you know let me

603
00:27:04,460 --> 00:27:01,259
experiment and do it I saw on YouTube

604
00:27:07,159 --> 00:27:04,470
last night but it was you know I was it

605
00:27:09,229 --> 00:27:07,169
was just I really wasn't goofing off I

606
00:27:11,299 --> 00:27:09,239
wasn't see her about it but not like

607
00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:11,309
something that goes on these retreats

608
00:27:15,289 --> 00:27:13,769
for 3 or 4 days and and prays and

609
00:27:16,460 --> 00:27:15,299
meditates for 3 or 4 days now it was

610
00:27:18,229 --> 00:27:16,470
just like okay well I'm waiting for her

611
00:27:19,789 --> 00:27:18,239
friend let me try it what happened was

612
00:27:22,580 --> 00:27:19,799
there was a huge gigantic craft that

613
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:22,590
appeared the bottom of the size of a

614
00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:24,809
football stadium the bottom of a craft

615
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:27,480
was five feet from the roof okay five

616
00:27:31,940 --> 00:27:29,730
feet from the roof less than 30 feet

617
00:27:35,450 --> 00:27:31,950
away from us it was huge it went back

618
00:27:37,310 --> 00:27:35,460
600 meters it looked like in a hundred

619
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:37,320
meters tall and then I heard a voice

620
00:27:41,749 --> 00:27:39,330
saying daddy you and mommy have seen a

621
00:27:42,859 --> 00:27:41,759
UFO next time you guys see a UFO you

622
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:42,869
call me alright daddy

623
00:27:47,930 --> 00:27:45,600
and again they control it control your

624
00:27:49,580 --> 00:27:47,940
mind so immediately I went to the window

625
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:49,590
and I called my just recently 12 year

626
00:27:51,979 --> 00:27:50,850
old daughter to come outside and see

627
00:27:53,869 --> 00:27:51,989
this craft okay

628
00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:53,879
because that was outside and we live in

629
00:27:58,039 --> 00:27:55,529
a cold Asako very wide and long

630
00:27:59,389 --> 00:27:58,049
cul-de-sac now if you're a rationally

631
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,399
thinking person that would be the last

632
00:28:04,099 --> 00:28:01,440
thing you would do you know call down a

633
00:28:05,180 --> 00:28:04,109
twelve-year-old daughter to come and see

634
00:28:07,220 --> 00:28:05,190
this thing you know because you don't

635
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:07,230
know what the hell's gonna happen so

636
00:28:11,869 --> 00:28:09,450
then for 15 minutes she and I saw this

637
00:28:13,010 --> 00:28:11,879
craft then my friend comes not by

638
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:13,020
himself but what is why

639
00:28:17,570 --> 00:28:15,120
and their seventeen-year-old daughter

640
00:28:19,370 --> 00:28:17,580
now both of these folks is from Mexico

641
00:28:21,890 --> 00:28:19,380
she's from Colombia both of them are

642
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,900
professionals college-educated big-time

643
00:28:27,230 --> 00:28:23,520
Catholics that every Sunday they got to

644
00:28:30,610 --> 00:28:27,240
be a church okay and it was total

645
00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:30,620
bewilderment you know on their part and

646
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:32,910
then I've had numerous paranormal

647
00:28:37,730 --> 00:28:35,730
experiences my wife had them as well so

648
00:28:40,970 --> 00:28:37,740
it's basically my entire family has had

649
00:28:44,330 --> 00:28:40,980
these experiences myself and my wife

650
00:28:46,090 --> 00:28:44,340
seeing this entity that controlled our

651
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:46,100
minds it basically took my wife and

652
00:28:51,470 --> 00:28:49,440
returned our dog completely cured from a

653
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,480
total paralysis a miraculous healing and

654
00:28:56,510 --> 00:28:53,520
then my daughter and I saw that huge

655
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:56,520
craft with three other adults and then

656
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:00,080
my wife in Mexico and one once in the US

657
00:29:07,690 --> 00:29:04,250
had saw sightings of these huge crabs

658
00:29:09,860 --> 00:29:07,700
well this is really interesting down so

659
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:09,870
Monday you go back to work

660
00:29:14,290 --> 00:29:10,890
you're hanging around the water cooler

661
00:29:17,570 --> 00:29:14,300
you didn't really bring this up did you

662
00:29:19,790 --> 00:29:17,580
for many many months but did you talk to

663
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,800
colleagues about it no no not the

664
00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:21,840
beginning no no it wasn't until later on

665
00:29:26,150 --> 00:29:23,910
when I started having a lot more of

666
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:26,160
these experiences I guess it all started

667
00:29:33,380 --> 00:29:30,960
I started talking about it really

668
00:29:35,740 --> 00:29:33,390
heavy-duty about a year and three or

669
00:29:39,530 --> 00:29:35,750
four months later when I had a download

670
00:29:42,770 --> 00:29:39,540
of instructions and I and then I was

671
00:29:44,990 --> 00:29:42,780
inside a wheel floating in the middle of

672
00:29:47,690 --> 00:29:45,000
like a matrix type of reality where

673
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:47,700
inside this wheel had all these various

674
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:51,930
paranormal components in each side each

675
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,530
spoke of a wheel like for example et

676
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:57,840
contact was one spoke near-death

677
00:30:02,060 --> 00:29:59,600
experiences was another spoke

678
00:30:03,620 --> 00:30:02,070
out-of-body experiences was another you

679
00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:03,630
know area of the spoke of the wheel

680
00:30:10,010 --> 00:30:06,840
remote viewing you know ghosts and

681
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,020
spirits the spirit world etc how about

682
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:12,720
crypto woods bigfoot anything I don't

683
00:30:17,870 --> 00:30:14,970
recall that I remember was like eight

684
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,880
different topic areas and then what was

685
00:30:21,410 --> 00:30:19,440
in my head what was put into my head

686
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:21,420
what was holding everything together was

687
00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:23,250
consciousness and quantum physics

688
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:25,320
okay and that all of them are all

689
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:26,610
interrelated it's

690
00:30:30,919 --> 00:30:28,799
one and it's all controlled by

691
00:30:32,810 --> 00:30:30,929
consciousness and quantum physics okay

692
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:32,820
now that same day I don't know if you've

693
00:30:38,030 --> 00:30:35,090
ever had maybe Rodwell on your show okay

694
00:30:40,340 --> 00:30:38,040
Mary rod will is one of the top

695
00:30:42,410 --> 00:30:40,350
researchers of individuals that have had

696
00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:42,420
ufo-related contact

697
00:30:49,490 --> 00:30:46,020
she's been research has researched over

698
00:30:50,750 --> 00:30:49,500
3,000 cases okay she's not that well

699
00:30:53,150 --> 00:30:50,760
known in United States because of the

700
00:30:54,890 --> 00:30:53,160
travel expenses to the u.s. most people

701
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:54,900
get you know Yvonne Smith Barbara and

702
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:57,840
kathleen Martin but in Europe Mary

703
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:00,480
Rodwell is all three of these ladies all

704
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:02,970
put together just to let you know you

705
00:31:08,570 --> 00:31:05,370
know for background and so what happened

706
00:31:11,030 --> 00:31:08,580
was seven months before I had sent an

707
00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:11,040
email to you know grant Cameron Joe

708
00:31:17,450 --> 00:31:14,910
Montalvo David Jacobs you name it you

709
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:17,460
know someone people that dealt with this

710
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:20,490
area you know Barbara Lam whatever top

711
00:31:25,490 --> 00:31:23,010
ufologists telling them about my story

712
00:31:28,130 --> 00:31:25,500
and and wanting to find answers because

713
00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:28,140
the internet was just full of junk you

714
00:31:31,610 --> 00:31:29,940
know it was like they're angels they're

715
00:31:33,860 --> 00:31:31,620
they're Devils and the Athenians they're

716
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:33,870
a nanaki's and then you had a million

717
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:35,490
people you know I've got all the answers

718
00:31:39,049 --> 00:31:37,200
I've got all the answers you know and

719
00:31:41,630 --> 00:31:39,059
they're all contradicting each other so

720
00:31:43,130 --> 00:31:41,640
I sent an email to these top people just

721
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:43,140
like any experience or you want someone

722
00:31:47,810 --> 00:31:46,320
to talk to you know and so I got

723
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,820
responses from a few folks I think

724
00:31:51,950 --> 00:31:49,919
whitley strieber was one of them Grant

725
00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:51,960
Cameron was another one I forgot Joe

726
00:31:56,270 --> 00:31:54,510
Montalvo was another one and so anyway

727
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:56,280
marry that day that I got that download

728
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,799
sends me an email he says dear ray I'm

729
00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:00,960
sorry to I'm responding to your email

730
00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:04,140
that you had sent seven months ago but

731
00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:08,340
it just popped up on my screen okay so

732
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:10,440
that I immediately went on email and I

733
00:32:13,580 --> 00:32:11,850
sent her an email well you don't know

734
00:32:16,159 --> 00:32:13,590
what the hell's happened since in these

735
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:16,169
last seven months and just today this

736
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:19,049
happened so then she showed me how to

737
00:32:23,180 --> 00:32:20,730
use Skype I had never used Skype before

738
00:32:26,030 --> 00:32:23,190
and we talked about her work we talked

739
00:32:28,220 --> 00:32:26,040
about catching up with all my additional

740
00:32:29,390 --> 00:32:28,230
experiences that I had since that day of

741
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:29,400
the sighting of the craft with my

742
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:32,880
daughter and my three friends and so she

743
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:34,290
also told me about this professor at

744
00:32:40,250 --> 00:32:37,440
Harvard who worked very closely with dr.

745
00:32:42,830 --> 00:32:40,260
John Mack for many years before doctor

746
00:32:44,390 --> 00:32:42,840
dr. John Mack died and then after he

747
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:44,400
died he's one of the founders of the

748
00:32:48,530 --> 00:32:46,650
John Mack Institute to carry on the

749
00:32:50,780 --> 00:32:48,540
legacy of dr. Mack and that he had

750
00:32:53,690 --> 00:32:50,790
worked as been working with experiences

751
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:53,700
for over thirty years and that Rudy in

752
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:55,140
fact is one of the world's leading

753
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:57,240
experts on quantum physics and

754
00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:00,480
consciousness and so I didn't really pay

755
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:01,950
a lot of attention to that you know

756
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:04,770
until the very next day Mary and I hung

757
00:33:09,290 --> 00:33:06,240
up and we'll say okay we'll continue to

758
00:33:11,150 --> 00:33:09,300
chat oh by the way I did ask Mary about

759
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:11,160
that you know does she ever go back

760
00:33:15,050 --> 00:33:13,410
seven months to check her emails and she

761
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:15,060
started laughing she says ray I can

762
00:33:18,980 --> 00:33:17,850
barely keep with one day's emails how in

763
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:18,990
the world am I gonna go back seven

764
00:33:22,340 --> 00:33:20,610
months says they will marry how do you

765
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:22,350
explain that and she laughed out loud

766
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:24,570
you know almost hysterically she said

767
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:27,600
ray by now you or no what happened you

768
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:30,450
know that the ETS basically waited to

769
00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:31,650
put it there in front of me this day

770
00:33:35,150 --> 00:33:33,240
that I got that download now here's

771
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:35,160
another quote unquote synchronicity that

772
00:33:39,790 --> 00:33:37,530
very next day after I had my download

773
00:33:42,260 --> 00:33:39,800
and I spoke with Mary I got a phone call

774
00:33:45,620 --> 00:33:42,270
at 9:30 in the morning

775
00:33:46,970 --> 00:33:45,630
from dr. Rudy shields okay I didn't even

776
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:46,980
know this fellow never even met him

777
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:48,450
never even spoke to him he calls me

778
00:33:52,970 --> 00:33:50,370
remember this guy's a 75 year old

779
00:33:54,980 --> 00:33:52,980
professor who's one of the directors of

780
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:54,990
the harvard-smithsonian Center for

781
00:33:59,630 --> 00:33:57,440
Astrophysics he had a battle with

782
00:34:02,270 --> 00:33:59,640
Stephen Hawking which I found out later

783
00:34:05,060 --> 00:34:02,280
on for over 25 years as to what is the

784
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:05,070
true nature of black holes okay Rudy won

785
00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:06,570
the war not Steven working Hawking

786
00:34:10,369 --> 00:34:08,820
publicly admitted two years ago for the

787
00:34:13,340 --> 00:34:10,379
last 30 years he had been completely

788
00:34:15,590 --> 00:34:13,350
wrong a black holes and now most as for

789
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:15,600
physicists except the model that was put

790
00:34:20,659 --> 00:34:18,720
forward by dr. ray shields just to let

791
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:20,669
you know the mind of this guy this guy's

792
00:34:24,980 --> 00:34:23,280
a genius among geniuses so he calls me

793
00:34:27,649 --> 00:34:24,990
up at 9:30 and he starts spoon-feeding

794
00:34:32,780 --> 00:34:27,659
me advanced quantum physics and he said

795
00:34:35,330 --> 00:34:32,790
ray advanced quantum physics and dr.

796
00:34:37,790 --> 00:34:35,340
Edgar Mitchell quantum hologram theory

797
00:34:40,430 --> 00:34:37,800
of consciousness and physics can explain

798
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,440
all the paranormal phenomenon so the

799
00:34:46,490 --> 00:34:42,720
vision that you had and the instructions

800
00:34:47,869 --> 00:34:46,500
that you had were actually correct but

801
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:47,879
yet the rest majority of humanity

802
00:34:53,149 --> 00:34:51,510
doesn't understand that okay and so at

803
00:34:53,870 --> 00:34:53,159
the end of it he says ray look you know

804
00:34:57,350 --> 00:34:53,880
these

805
00:34:58,340 --> 00:34:57,360
he's gave you a mission because what I

806
00:35:03,110 --> 00:34:58,350
didn't tell you what they had told me

807
00:35:06,740 --> 00:35:03,120
was that when I was in this mystical

808
00:35:09,650 --> 00:35:06,750
state this matrix type of state word

809
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:09,660
this wheel was floating around me I was

810
00:35:13,310 --> 00:35:11,490
given a download okay

811
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:13,320
I didn't physically see these ETS okay

812
00:35:17,090 --> 00:35:14,640
and again I was in the middle of a

813
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:17,100
traffic jam going to work on Monday

814
00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:20,010
morning at 8:30 in the morning okay and

815
00:35:23,870 --> 00:35:21,390
it was the middle of this traffic jam

816
00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:23,880
that this occurred and basically what I

817
00:35:28,250 --> 00:35:25,500
got the message was that I need to

818
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:28,260
inform humanity of the relationship

819
00:35:34,670 --> 00:35:32,130
between these entities that I've been

820
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:34,680
working with me these entities the

821
00:35:42,260 --> 00:35:40,290
spirit world and consciousness well in a

822
00:35:45,050 --> 00:35:42,270
traffic jam in the middle of a traffic

823
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:45,060
jam at 8:30 morning and and I called an

824
00:35:48,110 --> 00:35:46,530
experiencer the only experience that

825
00:35:50,330 --> 00:35:48,120
I've been talking up to that time and

826
00:35:53,090 --> 00:35:50,340
was only for two months and she was

827
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:53,100
someone that Joe montalto had sent to

828
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:55,050
communicate with me because Joe is doing

829
00:36:00,170 --> 00:35:56,880
some studies on abductions you know and

830
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:00,180
experiences so that's how you know I

831
00:36:04,070 --> 00:36:02,250
came ahold of this individual so I

832
00:36:05,540 --> 00:36:04,080
called her up at 8:30 in the morning and

833
00:36:06,170 --> 00:36:05,550
I said you won't freaking believe what

834
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:06,180
just happened

835
00:36:10,970 --> 00:36:08,880
and and so you know we had that brief

836
00:36:13,550 --> 00:36:10,980
conversation and it was that night that

837
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:13,560
I got may Mary rod well it's a sent me

838
00:36:18,740 --> 00:36:16,410
that email now towards the end Rudy said

839
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:18,750
look ray they gave you an instructions

840
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:20,160
of what you need to what you need to do

841
00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:23,490
okay and I said but look Rudy I have no

842
00:36:27,740 --> 00:36:25,260
idea what the hell I'm gonna do it

843
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:27,750
wasn't like you know do step a step B

844
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:29,250
step C you know it's just like some

845
00:36:32,660 --> 00:36:31,050
nebulous thing you know and he says

846
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:32,670
don't worry it always comes to

847
00:36:36,290 --> 00:36:34,680
experiencers City you know and

848
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:36,300
clarification always comes later you

849
00:36:40,460 --> 00:36:38,370
know and Rudy said well if you do

850
00:36:42,770 --> 00:36:40,470
something I recommend an organization

851
00:36:45,020 --> 00:36:42,780
and if you do form or this organization

852
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:45,030
I will be there to help support you and

853
00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:47,970
to to back you up initially we thought

854
00:36:52,490 --> 00:36:49,710
it was like a documentary or something

855
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:52,500
like that to do you know because we but

856
00:36:55,850 --> 00:36:53,970
let me continue the story I'm jumping

857
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:55,860
the gun a little bit so Rudy said he'll

858
00:36:59,840 --> 00:36:57,690
back us up heels be a scientific adviser

859
00:37:01,790 --> 00:36:59,850
and then he says jot down his telephone

860
00:37:03,470 --> 00:37:01,800
number so I decided writing down the

861
00:37:06,830 --> 00:37:03,480
telephone number he said this is the

862
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:06,840
telephone number of my mentor so this is

863
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:07,680
the mentor

864
00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:09,450
the smartest man in the world the person

865
00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:12,990
that bested Stephen Hawking okay one of

866
00:37:17,839 --> 00:37:14,520
the directors of the harvard-smithsonian

867
00:37:19,730 --> 00:37:17,849
Center for Astrophysics he said call him

868
00:37:22,549 --> 00:37:19,740
up I said well who's this he says dr.

869
00:37:25,220 --> 00:37:22,559
Edgar Mitchell and at that point I was

870
00:37:28,849 --> 00:37:25,230
like you know I already knew who he was

871
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:28,859
so like Rudy and I agreed to converse

872
00:37:34,579 --> 00:37:31,770
and I it took me like four hours before

873
00:37:36,589 --> 00:37:34,589
I called Edgar up and when I did call

874
00:37:39,799 --> 00:37:36,599
him up he said that Rudy had already

875
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:39,809
sent him an email and I had chatted with

876
00:37:44,839 --> 00:37:41,730
him briefly on the telephone and said

877
00:37:48,109 --> 00:37:44,849
I'm someone to be taken seriously and to

878
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:48,119
to pay attention to me you know so what

879
00:37:52,549 --> 00:37:49,530
Edgar did he invited me to his house

880
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:52,559
okay then for the next day so now we're

881
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:54,450
at the third day okay because the first

882
00:38:00,109 --> 00:37:57,839
day was my download and me being inside

883
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:00,119
the wheel that night marry rod well sons

884
00:38:04,910 --> 00:38:01,650
being email that I sent seven months

885
00:38:07,460 --> 00:38:04,920
late the next day at 9:30 dr. Rudy

886
00:38:09,140 --> 00:38:07,470
shields calls calls me I didn't call him

887
00:38:12,289 --> 00:38:09,150
he calls me at 9:30 in the morning and

888
00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:12,299
then dr. Edgar Mitchell that afternoon

889
00:38:17,450 --> 00:38:14,700
invited me to his house so the next day

890
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:17,460
I was at his house and oh my god I don't

891
00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:19,410
even know this man and he's going on

892
00:38:23,539 --> 00:38:21,240
into all these intimate stories about

893
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:23,549
his life and I won't go into a lot of

894
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:25,140
these details because it's not very

895
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:27,690
relevant but basically he told me all

896
00:38:31,220 --> 00:38:29,250
about Roswell you know the whole

897
00:38:33,799 --> 00:38:31,230
everything astronauts you know some

898
00:38:35,359 --> 00:38:33,809
stories of astronauts so at the end of

899
00:38:37,490 --> 00:38:35,369
it all he repeats the same thing that

900
00:38:41,210 --> 00:38:37,500
Rudy told me and he says look right you

901
00:38:42,799 --> 00:38:41,220
know I will back you up with Rudy we

902
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:42,809
will be your scientific advisors and as

903
00:38:47,150 --> 00:38:44,400
a matter of fact I have a group called

904
00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:47,160
Kwan track which he explained to me were

905
00:38:52,339 --> 00:38:49,710
a group of advanced physicists and we've

906
00:38:55,819 --> 00:38:52,349
been working on various physics related

907
00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:55,829
projects including our the physics of

908
00:38:59,450 --> 00:38:56,700
zero-point energy

909
00:39:01,339 --> 00:38:59,460
and the physics of consciousness we've

910
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:01,349
been doing this for many years and we

911
00:39:06,650 --> 00:39:04,890
can invite them in to help us out ok so

912
00:39:08,420 --> 00:39:06,660
then what I we you know we agreed to

913
00:39:09,620 --> 00:39:08,430
continue chatting and you know I told

914
00:39:11,359 --> 00:39:09,630
them I have no idea what the hell I'm

915
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:11,369
gonna do and say they were Rudy it'll

916
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:13,890
come to you it always comes to you you

917
00:39:19,730 --> 00:39:17,130
know so then I then sent an email to

918
00:39:20,990 --> 00:39:19,740
Mary Rodwell and I said Mary look we

919
00:39:22,670 --> 00:39:21,000
need to do

920
00:39:24,830 --> 00:39:22,680
thing you know we need to form an

921
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:24,840
organization and then I said Edgar and

922
00:39:29,780 --> 00:39:27,090
Rudy are not going to be you know moving

923
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:29,790
forward with this because these are two

924
00:39:35,180 --> 00:39:32,640
you know two men that are extremely busy

925
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:35,190
why don't you and I you know start this

926
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:37,710
I have no idea what we're doing and and

927
00:39:40,490 --> 00:39:38,810
we thought it was going to be a

928
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,500
documentary or something like that a

929
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:42,240
little movie or something you know we

930
00:39:47,330 --> 00:39:45,330
really had no idea so like two weeks

931
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:47,340
later you know Mary says ray I got the

932
00:39:51,590 --> 00:39:49,650
perfect name for it free the foundation

933
00:39:54,590 --> 00:39:51,600
for research into extraterrestrial

934
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,600
encounters now mind you we had no idea

935
00:39:59,930 --> 00:39:56,400
what we're gonna be doing anyway okay

936
00:40:01,490 --> 00:39:59,940
so then one day I was on the computer it

937
00:40:03,290 --> 00:40:01,500
was the Saturday morning nobody was here

938
00:40:05,150 --> 00:40:03,300
and all of a sudden I just started

939
00:40:07,010 --> 00:40:05,160
typing I just started banging away you

940
00:40:10,010 --> 00:40:07,020
know Ferb and I were gonna have for two

941
00:40:12,290 --> 00:40:10,020
hours and what it was was a whole

942
00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:12,300
mission of what free would be doing this

943
00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:16,110
new organization and within a month we

944
00:40:23,570 --> 00:40:20,760
had a who's who joining dr. Mitchell dr.

945
00:40:24,860 --> 00:40:23,580
rudy shields and and mary rod well now

946
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:24,870
we have a whole bunch of retired

947
00:40:32,270 --> 00:40:29,280
academics one of the academics is the

948
00:40:36,580 --> 00:40:32,280
chair of our research study dr. John

949
00:40:39,860 --> 00:40:36,590
clemo and he's a recently retired

950
00:40:41,540 --> 00:40:39,870
tenured professor of psychology he's one

951
00:40:43,790 --> 00:40:41,550
of the world's most famous academics on

952
00:40:45,590 --> 00:40:43,800
the paranormal and he's taught research

953
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:45,600
methodology for over 40 years

954
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:49,650
he's chaired 250 PhD dissertations we

955
00:40:54,740 --> 00:40:51,930
also have in our group a neuroscientist

956
00:40:57,230 --> 00:40:54,750
again a retired professor of the brain

957
00:41:01,100 --> 00:40:57,240
of neuroscience his name is dr. Bob

958
00:41:04,730 --> 00:41:01,110
Davis and he just recently wrote a book

959
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:04,740
and has been on several radio programs

960
00:41:11,090 --> 00:41:07,040
talking about his book which is a book

961
00:41:12,860 --> 00:41:11,100
titled UFOs should we believe and now he

962
00:41:15,220 --> 00:41:12,870
was on this show a little while ago okay

963
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:15,230
yeah so so you know his background then

964
00:41:19,250 --> 00:41:18,000
only recently he and his wife I think

965
00:41:21,620 --> 00:41:19,260
was maybe three years ago he and his

966
00:41:24,110 --> 00:41:21,630
wife were out in Sedona and again this

967
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:24,120
guy was a science it's a brain you know

968
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:28,800
my specialist totally skeptical all of

969
00:41:32,810 --> 00:41:31,290
this material so Hina's wife saw a UFO

970
00:41:34,090 --> 00:41:32,820
in the middle Outlands of said that

971
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:34,100
Sedona

972
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:35,810
and then he just freaked out he got hit

973
00:41:39,460 --> 00:41:37,370
in the head by a two-by-four you know

974
00:41:41,740 --> 00:41:39,470
and began researching this phenomenon

975
00:41:44,260 --> 00:41:41,750
and what he discovered doing you know

976
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:44,270
heavy-duty scientific academic research

977
00:41:48,610 --> 00:41:46,310
on this basically through government

978
00:41:50,980 --> 00:41:48,620
Publishing's government reports was that

979
00:41:53,490 --> 00:41:50,990
there is more than credible evidence for

980
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:53,500
a scientist to reasonably conclude that

981
00:42:01,660 --> 00:41:57,770
yes the UFO phenomenon is very much real

982
00:42:03,700 --> 00:42:01,670
and so I then brought him in to free

983
00:42:08,110 --> 00:42:03,710
again with the approval of dr. Edgar

984
00:42:09,940 --> 00:42:08,120
Mitchell and and and dr. Rudy shields to

985
00:42:11,770 --> 00:42:09,950
be like the skeptic of our group you

986
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:11,780
know the rationalist a scientist type

987
00:42:17,260 --> 00:42:14,210
and he wound up being you know like the

988
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:17,270
co-chair with dr. clemo of our research

989
00:42:23,140 --> 00:42:21,440
study other people we have on board dr.

990
00:42:25,890 --> 00:42:23,150
Leo sprinkle who was the first academic

991
00:42:27,820 --> 00:42:25,900
to actually publish articles on

992
00:42:30,580 --> 00:42:27,830
individuals that have had you a full

993
00:42:32,410 --> 00:42:30,590
related contact but back then almost all

994
00:42:36,130 --> 00:42:32,420
the started studies were done on

995
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:36,140
abductees goes on a little while ago and

996
00:42:41,410 --> 00:42:39,050
he did he did mention this I just I just

997
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:41,420
have a we're moving further away from

998
00:42:46,660 --> 00:42:42,890
something I want to ask you about

999
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:46,670
actually and one of the things of you I

1000
00:42:51,850 --> 00:42:49,250
hadn't heard it until I'm gonna say

1001
00:42:54,430 --> 00:42:51,860
maybe I started hearing it about eight

1002
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:54,440
months ago the word download over and

1003
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,850
everybody's talking about download I was

1004
00:42:59,860 --> 00:42:57,440
at the experiencer speak this last

1005
00:43:01,720 --> 00:42:59,870
weekend in Portland I saw grant Cameron

1006
00:43:07,870 --> 00:43:01,730
Kathie Lee Martin Stanton Friedman

1007
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:07,880
Travis Walton etc etc and okay so I do

1008
00:43:12,130 --> 00:43:10,010
have some things to talk about as far as

1009
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:12,140
that term and everything but I want to

1010
00:43:16,180 --> 00:43:14,690
talk about the wheel the wheel to me is

1011
00:43:18,130 --> 00:43:16,190
fascinating by the way if you're

1012
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:18,140
listening live you can call in the show

1013
00:43:23,590 --> 00:43:21,200
at six oh three nine six seven four o3o

1014
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:23,600
or jump in the chat room at podcast UFO

1015
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:25,610
and ask a question so there was someone

1016
00:43:30,940 --> 00:43:29,090
on the message board who has I'm just

1017
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:30,950
gonna basically read his question it's

1018
00:43:35,530 --> 00:43:33,410
similar to one I had in mind but he's

1019
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:35,540
saying I have heard others mentioned

1020
00:43:41,170 --> 00:43:37,910
this similar image of a wheel you have

1021
00:43:44,020 --> 00:43:41,180
you talked with others who had the

1022
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:44,030
similar image and if so how what were

1023
00:43:50,190 --> 00:43:47,410
the differences or similarities well

1024
00:43:51,690 --> 00:43:50,200
interesting enough the person that put

1025
00:43:53,130 --> 00:43:51,700
that conference that you attended to

1026
00:43:56,190 --> 00:43:53,140
that you attended the experience to

1027
00:43:58,320 --> 00:43:56,200
speak conference this is uh miss humans

1028
00:44:02,730 --> 00:43:58,330
Audrey humans she had a similar

1029
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:02,740
experience of the wheel I think anyone

1030
00:44:06,450 --> 00:44:04,450
else that you're aware was another

1031
00:44:08,310 --> 00:44:06,460
experience that had a very similar

1032
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:08,320
experience of the wheel that they were

1033
00:44:13,860 --> 00:44:11,920
in a type of like a matrix reality that

1034
00:44:16,050 --> 00:44:13,870
you're like floating somewhere and you

1035
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:16,060
know somewhere you know and you're

1036
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:17,530
inside a wheel and it's floating around

1037
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:20,530
you so there's three people that I know

1038
00:44:25,860 --> 00:44:24,310
of but again I have not published I

1039
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:25,870
don't have a book published or anything

1040
00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:28,000
like that a lot of people don't really

1041
00:44:32,430 --> 00:44:30,460
know a lot of my story you know have you

1042
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,440
ever seen this have you ever seen this

1043
00:44:36,930 --> 00:44:34,000
after that we have someone calling and

1044
00:44:39,420 --> 00:44:36,940
hang on just a sec shortly hello caller

1045
00:44:42,540 --> 00:44:39,430
you're on the line please say your first

1046
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:42,550
name and go ahead and ask a question yes

1047
00:44:48,810 --> 00:44:45,370
my name is Bobby I'm calling from Jasper

1048
00:44:52,890 --> 00:44:48,820
Alabama and my question is this do you

1049
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:52,900
believe that there is any way that we

1050
00:45:00,990 --> 00:44:56,650
can for lack of a better word call in if

1051
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:01,000
you will kind of send a mental telepathy

1052
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:03,490
kind of message to some of these

1053
00:45:09,690 --> 00:45:07,810
visitors to to come and visit us and and

1054
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:09,700
do you believe that that would be a

1055
00:45:14,190 --> 00:45:12,130
positive experience or could there

1056
00:45:16,860 --> 00:45:14,200
possibly be some that you don't want to

1057
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:16,870
come visit you okay let me answer that

1058
00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:19,330
question we did ask that question in our

1059
00:45:24,210 --> 00:45:21,310
survey I haven't gone into the research

1060
00:45:28,020 --> 00:45:24,220
study yet but it's a survey that we've

1061
00:45:31,050 --> 00:45:28,030
gotten 2,500 responses from individuals

1062
00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:31,060
that have had ufo-related ET contact and

1063
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:33,790
we did ask that question and we have

1064
00:45:42,510 --> 00:45:38,530
gotten positive responses in the very

1065
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:42,520
high hundreds of bears that have hauled

1066
00:45:50,010 --> 00:45:47,680
down a craft i we we cannot publish our

1067
00:45:52,170 --> 00:45:50,020
findings with actual numbers and and

1068
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:52,180
percentages and things of that sort but

1069
00:45:56,850 --> 00:45:54,370
yes that's a very very high number of

1070
00:45:59,100 --> 00:45:56,860
people that have done that just like i

1071
00:46:00,610 --> 00:45:59,110
did it my wife did it all so there's

1072
00:46:03,580 --> 00:46:00,620
this concept

1073
00:46:04,650 --> 00:46:03,590
which is totally changed but in Latin

1074
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:04,660
America

1075
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:08,450
Sixto passed in 1974 formed a group

1076
00:46:12,970 --> 00:46:10,730
called group arama which is a group to

1077
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:12,980
basically call down these crafts and

1078
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:15,130
begin communications with these beans

1079
00:46:22,060 --> 00:46:19,730
and when yes I'm sorry to interrupt you

1080
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:22,070
and you saying that though that brings

1081
00:46:26,140 --> 00:46:24,410
to light something and and I hope I'm

1082
00:46:27,820 --> 00:46:26,150
not stepping on any toes along I'm about

1083
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:27,830
to say because that's not my intention

1084
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:30,410
you know there's one person that the

1085
00:46:38,260 --> 00:46:34,730
kind of he gets groups together and that

1086
00:46:41,250 --> 00:46:38,270
is dr. Steven Greer and he he will get

1087
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:41,260
groups together but he advocates that

1088
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:44,930
that you know you need to be experienced

1089
00:46:49,810 --> 00:46:47,090
with this with that in line and you

1090
00:46:52,420 --> 00:46:49,820
mentioning that and this individual he's

1091
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:52,430
you know we he does this and encourages

1092
00:46:56,650 --> 00:46:54,560
this did he ever had any personal

1093
00:46:58,680 --> 00:46:56,660
interaction with dr. Greer and if so

1094
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:58,690
what's your opinion on some of his

1095
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:01,280
theories and and what not that he's for

1096
00:47:06,490 --> 00:47:04,160
voting okay well let me just ask answer

1097
00:47:08,350 --> 00:47:06,500
the last question very briefly there

1098
00:47:10,180 --> 00:47:08,360
have been many individuals all over the

1099
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:10,190
world that have been formed forming

1100
00:47:15,580 --> 00:47:12,770
these contact groups even before Steven

1101
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:15,590
Greer's name was even a public household

1102
00:47:21,130 --> 00:47:18,970
okay especially in Latin America and

1103
00:47:22,750 --> 00:47:21,140
these individuals that I know have

1104
00:47:27,460 --> 00:47:22,760
conducted these sessions all throughout

1105
00:47:29,230 --> 00:47:27,470
the world and many participants have yes

1106
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:29,240
I've had contact of both the crafts and

1107
00:47:35,820 --> 00:47:33,610
these beings now dr. Steven Greer I

1108
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:35,830
personally have not had any

1109
00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:38,480
relationships with him informal or

1110
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:41,510
formal relationships with him now in

1111
00:47:46,780 --> 00:47:44,480
terms of positions free takes the

1112
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:46,790
position a neutral position of whether

1113
00:47:53,140 --> 00:47:49,490
these experiences are positive negative

1114
00:47:55,870 --> 00:47:53,150
neutral whatever you know our

1115
00:47:58,180 --> 00:47:55,880
Publishing's are our surveys I should

1116
00:48:00,850 --> 00:47:58,190
say our surveys will be revealed on

1117
00:48:02,620 --> 00:48:00,860
December 1st and we do ask those

1118
00:48:05,530 --> 00:48:02,630
questions of experiences we asked at

1119
00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:05,540
many many different ways and again we've

1120
00:48:10,930 --> 00:48:08,510
got 2,500 people that answered this so

1121
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:10,940
it's not just a little tiny study that

1122
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:12,410
someone did with you know 20 or 30

1123
00:48:17,220 --> 00:48:14,530
people this is a huge gigantic

1124
00:48:18,990 --> 00:48:17,230
study and we did ask that question that

1125
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:19,000
you just asked about whether they're

1126
00:48:22,590 --> 00:48:20,410
positive or negative a neutral or

1127
00:48:26,550 --> 00:48:22,600
whatever in many different ways now the

1128
00:48:29,580 --> 00:48:26,560
final I'm Troy Goya I'm sorry to be in a

1129
00:48:31,730 --> 00:48:29,590
roaster to say is that the findings the

1130
00:48:35,490 --> 00:48:31,740
way these experiences are answering them

1131
00:48:37,380 --> 00:48:35,500
most of the public will find it much

1132
00:48:39,810 --> 00:48:37,390
more different perception than what they

1133
00:48:41,460 --> 00:48:39,820
see on the internet right and I look

1134
00:48:42,990 --> 00:48:41,470
forward to that the only reason that I

1135
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:43,000
asked about dr. Greer is because just

1136
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:45,370
just as you said his name has been one

1137
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:48,930
that's kind of you know become household

1138
00:48:53,070 --> 00:48:51,490
talk if you will he's got a little bit

1139
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:53,080
more publicity I very much look forward

1140
00:48:59,220 --> 00:48:56,650
to your release and I'm thoroughly

1141
00:49:01,470 --> 00:48:59,230
enjoying your interview this evening and

1142
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:01,480
thank you for asking my questions and I

1143
00:49:04,590 --> 00:49:03,910
will see you listen to the program thank

1144
00:49:07,170 --> 00:49:04,600
you Bobby

1145
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:07,180
appreciate the call in thank you very

1146
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:09,930
much Thank You Bobby

1147
00:49:15,690 --> 00:49:13,570
so ok and if anyone else also I always

1148
00:49:19,380 --> 00:49:15,700
we have to say this some if you'd rather

1149
00:49:22,170 --> 00:49:19,390
Skype in my user name is marty willis i

1150
00:49:23,370 --> 00:49:22,180
don't like to be called Marty but that

1151
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:23,380
was the only one that was available so

1152
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:25,090
Marty Willis if you want to Skype in and

1153
00:49:31,830 --> 00:49:29,290
again the phone number is 603 967 403 oh

1154
00:49:34,260 --> 00:49:31,840
now I can't remember exactly the topic

1155
00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:34,270
that we're on but it seems to me we did

1156
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:38,110
have another question the other question

1157
00:49:42,060 --> 00:49:40,810
or two talk a little bit about some of

1158
00:49:43,860 --> 00:49:42,070
the other Board of Directors we have

1159
00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:43,870
eleven individuals yeah okay we have

1160
00:49:49,830 --> 00:49:45,910
about we have about ten minutes or so to

1161
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:49,840
the top of the hour so let's just device

1162
00:49:53,250 --> 00:49:51,250
what we're going to be talking about

1163
00:49:55,770 --> 00:49:53,260
mostly in the second hour before we move

1164
00:49:58,170 --> 00:49:55,780
on right now we can talk about the board

1165
00:50:00,990 --> 00:49:58,180
members who's involved we can do that

1166
00:50:03,660 --> 00:50:01,000
now in the second we can go in depth in

1167
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:03,670
terms of the study yeah so far we have

1168
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:05,440
in you know sure mention anything about

1169
00:50:10,020 --> 00:50:07,450
the methodology okay sure let's go ahead

1170
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:10,030
and go ahead and who's on board and how

1171
00:50:14,730 --> 00:50:12,010
did you get them on board you mentioned

1172
00:50:17,010 --> 00:50:14,740
how the first two obviously did it all

1173
00:50:20,610 --> 00:50:17,020
just kind of fall together yes like for

1174
00:50:22,260 --> 00:50:20,620
example dr. John clemo someone

1175
00:50:24,780 --> 00:50:22,270
recommended that I give him a call I

1176
00:50:28,020 --> 00:50:24,790
didn't even know his background

1177
00:50:32,850 --> 00:50:28,030
he himself is an experiencer and he's

1178
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:32,860
public about it now and and so when I

1179
00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:35,130
told them what I had in mind

1180
00:50:40,170 --> 00:50:37,510
he told me that he taught research

1181
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:40,180
methodology for 40 years and he told me

1182
00:50:44,220 --> 00:50:42,130
all the books and the PC dissertations

1183
00:50:46,260 --> 00:50:44,230
and stuff I said oh my god you know it's

1184
00:50:48,510 --> 00:50:46,270
like he was put right in front of me to

1185
00:50:51,540 --> 00:50:48,520
be the chairperson for this research

1186
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:51,550
study because I said earlier you know

1187
00:50:56,820 --> 00:50:52,810
this is one of the world's leading

1188
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:56,830
academic in this area and then Bob Davis

1189
00:51:01,770 --> 00:51:00,160
was he called me up and asked you know

1190
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:01,780
and sent me an email wanting to talk to

1191
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:04,510
me so the other members are the

1192
00:51:10,890 --> 00:51:07,050
non-academic members I should say are

1193
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,900
Kathleen Martin who you know rosemary

1194
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:12,400
ellen guiley I don't know if you ever

1195
00:51:18,420 --> 00:51:15,610
had her on your show she's published 72

1196
00:51:20,190 --> 00:51:18,430
books on the paranormal and maybe

1197
00:51:21,570 --> 00:51:20,200
Rodwell who I mentioned before who was

1198
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:21,580
one of the world's leading researchers

1199
00:51:27,420 --> 00:51:24,730
in this field we also have Giorgio's

1200
00:51:30,780 --> 00:51:27,430
Piacenza who's one of Latin America's

1201
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:30,790
leading ufologists and he himself is an

1202
00:51:35,730 --> 00:51:33,490
experiencer and Kathleen Martin did come

1203
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:35,740
out publicly last September that she's

1204
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:39,490
also an experiencer and there's you know

1205
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:41,200
some other individuals on our board who

1206
00:51:46,770 --> 00:51:44,410
experiencers I I don't know whether they

1207
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:46,780
publicly come out or not but basically

1208
00:51:52,890 --> 00:51:50,170
80% of our board are experiencers more

1209
00:51:55,740 --> 00:51:52,900
than half are retired academics actually

1210
00:51:57,690 --> 00:51:55,750
five of them we also have dr. Michael

1211
00:52:02,330 --> 00:51:57,700
Milton who you probably met at the

1212
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:02,340
experience or speak conference he is a a

1213
00:52:09,660 --> 00:52:05,920
PhD clinical psychologist who was a

1214
00:52:11,610 --> 00:52:09,670
member of star born support and works

1215
00:52:13,740 --> 00:52:11,620
with many of the experiences associated

1216
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:13,750
with that organization I'm sorry I just

1217
00:52:18,660 --> 00:52:15,760
I just missed the name who that was oh

1218
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:18,670
the last one was dr. Michael Melton no I

1219
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:20,650
didn't I didn't meet him he's Larry was

1220
00:52:25,350 --> 00:52:22,240
that that fat chubby guy that was

1221
00:52:28,170 --> 00:52:25,360
probably the video of the conference

1222
00:52:30,930 --> 00:52:28,180
okay I know exactly who he is yeah he's

1223
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,940
a PhD clinical psychologist huh and he's

1224
00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:32,800
also a member of our board of directors

1225
00:52:38,109 --> 00:52:35,830
and he and Kathleen Martin are member

1226
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:38,119
members of MU Fonz

1227
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:42,170
experiencer research team so we do have

1228
00:52:48,609 --> 00:52:45,200
members of mph on that are doing

1229
00:52:50,289 --> 00:52:48,619
research on on on experiences are not

1230
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,299
experiences I should say on abductees

1231
00:52:55,749 --> 00:52:52,720
because that's the focus of their study

1232
00:52:58,509 --> 00:52:55,759
so as you could tell we have an elite

1233
00:53:01,720 --> 00:52:58,519
group working on this it is an

1234
00:53:02,769 --> 00:53:01,730
academically driven academically guided

1235
00:53:06,690 --> 00:53:02,779
research study

1236
00:53:09,039 --> 00:53:06,700
now besides credibility what has dr.

1237
00:53:09,489 --> 00:53:09,049
Edgar Mitchell brought to the table for

1238
00:53:12,190 --> 00:53:09,499
free

1239
00:53:13,390 --> 00:53:12,200
oh he's reviewed every document he's

1240
00:53:15,609 --> 00:53:13,400
reviewed the people that we were

1241
00:53:19,150 --> 00:53:15,619
thinking of bringing in he is giving us

1242
00:53:21,299 --> 00:53:19,160
the thumbs up with a thumbs down on a

1243
00:53:23,650 --> 00:53:21,309
few people he's given us the thumbs down

1244
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:23,660
he's made contacts with other

1245
00:53:29,620 --> 00:53:26,569
individuals open opening up doors for

1246
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:29,630
example he just recently on Saturday I

1247
00:53:33,970 --> 00:53:31,249
was in an alley I was in his house again

1248
00:53:35,739 --> 00:53:33,980
and he signed the letter off for us to

1249
00:53:39,339 --> 00:53:35,749
give to various some conference

1250
00:53:40,839 --> 00:53:39,349
organizers requesting that free one of

1251
00:53:44,620 --> 00:53:40,849
our academics one of our professors and

1252
00:53:47,259 --> 00:53:44,630
free be able to give a lecture at the

1253
00:53:50,170 --> 00:53:47,269
major conferences around the world not

1254
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:50,180
just on ufology but in other areas to

1255
00:53:55,930 --> 00:53:54,410
talk about our free research study after

1256
00:53:58,509 --> 00:53:55,940
December 1st so we're targeting

1257
00:54:00,789 --> 00:53:58,519
conferences in 2016

1258
00:54:03,849 --> 00:54:00,799
hoping for them to invite one of our

1259
00:54:08,529 --> 00:54:03,859
academics to give a formal speech about

1260
00:54:11,079 --> 00:54:08,539
our findings hmmm okay and I could send

1261
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:11,089
you that letter that dr. Mitchell signed

1262
00:54:18,009 --> 00:54:14,720
off on he just did at this Saturday so

1263
00:54:21,609 --> 00:54:18,019
he's um he's he's doing okay a couple

1264
00:54:23,289 --> 00:54:21,619
things five years old right yeah his

1265
00:54:23,650 --> 00:54:23,299
health is not you know in the best of

1266
00:54:25,930 --> 00:54:23,660
health

1267
00:54:30,009 --> 00:54:25,940
I'm not at liberty to go into all the

1268
00:54:32,109 --> 00:54:30,019
terms of his health but you know he's

1269
00:54:34,989 --> 00:54:32,119
not there ger Mitchell that I met three

1270
00:54:37,890 --> 00:54:34,999
years ago or natsume two and a half

1271
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:37,900
years ago the first time at his house

1272
00:54:42,220 --> 00:54:40,130
because you know age takes a toll on

1273
00:54:45,579 --> 00:54:42,230
individuals but he's still very sharp

1274
00:54:47,259 --> 00:54:45,589
very witty yeah you know he still you

1275
00:54:51,700 --> 00:54:47,269
get into a debate with him I wish you

1276
00:54:53,500 --> 00:54:51,710
the best of luck okay so one of

1277
00:54:56,579 --> 00:54:53,510
the questions I had here is what type of

1278
00:54:59,440 --> 00:54:56,589
publicity was undertaken to publicize

1279
00:55:02,079 --> 00:54:59,450
the research study just to get the word

1280
00:55:06,730 --> 00:55:02,089
out there to get these what did you say

1281
00:55:12,490 --> 00:55:06,740
two thousand plus people yeah into the

1282
00:55:14,980 --> 00:55:12,500
specifics okay we sent out every month a

1283
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:14,990
posting on over five hundred Facebook

1284
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:19,040
sites no no that's not the only one

1285
00:55:21,550 --> 00:55:20,330
that's just one out of like ten

1286
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:21,560
different strategies

1287
00:55:26,970 --> 00:55:23,839
okay now the Facebook sites that we

1288
00:55:30,690 --> 00:55:26,980
posted on was English Spanish and French

1289
00:55:36,450 --> 00:55:30,700
okay and it dealt with ufology groups

1290
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:36,460
with MUFON groups abductions paranormal

1291
00:55:46,089 --> 00:55:40,570
parapsychology x4 politics consciousness

1292
00:55:48,700 --> 00:55:46,099
et alien hybrids ancient aliens new age

1293
00:55:50,530 --> 00:55:48,710
groups ce-5 groups what that person I

1294
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:50,540
just mentioned in that last caller a

1295
00:55:58,690 --> 00:55:54,770
short while ago and and we we send that

1296
00:56:01,390 --> 00:55:58,700
out every month our postings about our

1297
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:01,400
free research study we also sent over

1298
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:04,250
two thousand and five hundred emails to

1299
00:56:09,070 --> 00:56:07,130
a mailing list that we got from many of

1300
00:56:11,620 --> 00:56:09,080
the people in our org organization like

1301
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:11,630
for example dr. Edgar Mitchell Mary

1302
00:56:17,470 --> 00:56:14,240
Rodwell dr. Rudy shields you know etc

1303
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:17,480
etc that that are participating with

1304
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:21,650
free we also sent an email to all of the

1305
00:56:25,870 --> 00:56:23,810
MUFON directors state directors

1306
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:25,880
assistant directors international

1307
00:56:32,349 --> 00:56:28,160
directors who is list of over 100 names

1308
00:56:36,690 --> 00:56:32,359
we also send emails to the top authors

1309
00:56:41,050 --> 00:56:36,700
of ufology of the paranormal of

1310
00:56:44,170 --> 00:56:41,060
abduction or authors or researchers all

1311
00:56:46,510 --> 00:56:44,180
over the world so almost every people

1312
00:56:49,150 --> 00:56:46,520
that you've interviewed most of them

1313
00:56:51,970 --> 00:56:49,160
have received an email from free

1314
00:56:55,089 --> 00:56:51,980
announcing our experience or research

1315
00:56:58,839 --> 00:56:55,099
study and if they had any questions to

1316
00:57:02,290 --> 00:56:58,849
to send us an email to free we also sent

1317
00:57:05,290 --> 00:57:02,300
the information on free to almost all of

1318
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:05,300
a major ufology and paranormal

1319
00:57:10,780 --> 00:57:08,720
radio stations and we were also

1320
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:10,790
interviewed by to MUFON radio stations

1321
00:57:17,130 --> 00:57:14,210
as well and to the websites of all of

1322
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:17,140
these individuals and organizations so

1323
00:57:23,470 --> 00:57:19,280
no one has ever done this type of

1324
00:57:25,660 --> 00:57:23,480
Felicity before for any type of research

1325
00:57:29,010 --> 00:57:25,670
study associated to this phenomenon so

1326
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:29,020
that's to respond of our public outreach

1327
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:32,450
which is extensive it really sounds it

1328
00:57:37,060 --> 00:57:34,970
and I know you know just from my own

1329
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:37,070
experience how much time you know

1330
00:57:41,260 --> 00:57:38,960
something like that takes and then if

1331
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:41,270
you want to boost posts you know you can

1332
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:42,650
spend some money to I don't know if you

1333
00:57:47,470 --> 00:57:45,170
do any of that type of thing but you

1334
00:57:49,300 --> 00:57:47,480
know just to get the word out there it

1335
00:57:51,250 --> 00:57:49,310
helps when you have other people helping

1336
00:57:52,450 --> 00:57:51,260
and it sounds like you have a team I

1337
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:52,460
don't know how much that will have a

1338
00:57:59,110 --> 00:57:55,450
huge support team backing us up uh-huh

1339
00:58:00,610 --> 00:57:59,120
and before we hit the the top of the

1340
00:58:04,030 --> 00:58:00,620
hour here in just a couple minutes if

1341
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:04,040
you can just say it's experiencers dot

1342
00:58:17,170 --> 00:58:07,690
c-- oh no dot org it's experiencer

1343
00:58:22,810 --> 00:58:17,180
singular its e x PE RI en ce er dot

1344
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:22,820
o-r-g okay org okay and before we move

1345
00:58:27,130 --> 00:58:24,170
on at the top of the hour I just wanted

1346
00:58:29,140 --> 00:58:27,140
to ask you one question for the first

1347
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:29,150
hour here and that is to finish up for a

1348
00:58:35,230 --> 00:58:32,930
couple minutes have you talked I keep

1349
00:58:38,830 --> 00:58:35,240
going back to this IRS thing and I just

1350
00:58:41,350 --> 00:58:38,840
wondered if you are if you are out of

1351
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:41,360
the closet as far as this goes you know

1352
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:45,040
at work or is it the question was

1353
00:58:51,010 --> 00:58:48,770
initially after my experiences I have

1354
00:58:52,420 --> 00:58:51,020
indeed spoken with almost every attorney

1355
00:58:55,540 --> 00:58:52,430
in my group Wow

1356
00:58:58,900 --> 00:58:55,550
and my supervisor okay three of them

1357
00:59:02,260 --> 00:58:58,910
have had experiences okay one was a

1358
00:59:05,140 --> 00:59:02,270
direct vision of a craft and an et

1359
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:05,150
contact experience okay two of them have

1360
00:59:09,730 --> 00:59:07,850
had paranormal experiences I also asked

1361
00:59:12,220 --> 00:59:09,740
the question have they spoken to anyone

1362
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:12,230
and they said hey please don't tell

1363
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:14,090
anybody else don't tell me about just in

1364
00:59:18,820 --> 00:59:16,730
confidence okay so this is a group of

1365
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:18,830
about 12 attorneys

1366
00:59:24,130 --> 00:59:20,930
including with my supervisor and three

1367
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:24,140
of them have had well one has had as I

1368
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:25,760
said before the actual sighting of a

1369
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:29,570
craft and an eg contact experience and

1370
00:59:33,100 --> 00:59:31,610
the other two have had paranormal

1371
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:33,110
experiences Wow

1372
00:59:36,940 --> 00:59:35,119
you know how it's very common except

1373
00:59:39,010 --> 00:59:36,950
people don't talk about it yeah well you

1374
00:59:40,990 --> 00:59:39,020
know how the IRS usually can target

1375
00:59:46,930 --> 00:59:41,000
someone what sounds like the IRS is

1376
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:46,940
being targeted to me the reason I'm

1377
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:49,280
stating this because another project

1378
00:59:53,020 --> 00:59:50,480
that we're going to be pushing we're

1379
00:59:55,630 --> 00:59:53,030
going to be starting in in a couple of

1380
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:55,640
weeks is to begin a program called the

1381
00:59:59,170 --> 00:59:58,160
experiencer Liberation Day I saw that

1382
01:00:01,480 --> 00:59:59,180
yes

1383
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:01,490
talk about that okay so you have been

1384
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:04,130
getting a lot of my emails so with the

1385
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:05,690
experience Liberation Day I we can talk

1386
01:00:10,030 --> 01:00:07,010
about it in the next hour but it's

1387
01:00:13,420 --> 01:00:10,040
basically all these movements you know

1388
01:00:15,130 --> 01:00:13,430
gays lesbians civil rights movement the

1389
01:00:16,859 --> 01:00:15,140
women's movement you know they're all

1390
01:00:22,690 --> 01:00:16,869
out of the closet okay

1391
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:22,700
it's called gray pride we want to get

1392
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:25,130
experiencers out of the closet why is it

1393
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:26,690
that these three attorneys that work

1394
01:00:31,390 --> 01:00:28,010
with me can't talk about these things

1395
01:00:33,310 --> 01:00:31,400
publicly you know why myself given my

1396
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:33,320
experiences I cannot talk about it

1397
01:00:37,180 --> 01:00:33,890
publicly

1398
01:00:39,580 --> 01:00:37,190
you know they 8 out of the 11 people in

1399
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:39,590
our our group here and our board of

1400
01:00:43,690 --> 01:00:41,210
directors board of directors our

1401
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:43,700
experiences yet only half of them are

1402
01:00:49,630 --> 01:00:46,880
all be open about their experiences ok

1403
01:00:52,359 --> 01:00:49,640
why is that it should not be okay we

1404
01:00:55,060 --> 01:00:52,369
this is a phenomenon which is taking

1405
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:55,070
place all over the world it's why can't

1406
01:01:00,280 --> 01:00:58,010
we discuss it openly them once we begin

1407
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:00,290
to discuss it openly then we'll be able

1408
01:01:04,930 --> 01:01:01,730
to deal with this in a scientific

1409
01:01:07,150 --> 01:01:04,940
academic rational way and not just some

1410
01:01:08,620 --> 01:01:07,160
taboo that's on the internet of people

1411
01:01:10,210 --> 01:01:08,630
spilling you know she's the

1412
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:10,220
friend you know of people spilling

1413
01:01:15,250 --> 01:01:13,490
information without any credibility so

1414
01:01:18,190 --> 01:01:15,260
what we're trying to do with free is do

1415
01:01:21,849 --> 01:01:18,200
the first-ever academic comprehensive

1416
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:21,859
research study on experiencers and with

1417
01:01:26,980 --> 01:01:24,650
these with these academics and actually

1418
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:26,990
bring credibility to this field for the

1419
01:01:32,170 --> 01:01:29,450
first time so experiences can indeed

1420
01:01:33,579 --> 01:01:32,180
come out of the closet right okay

1421
01:02:09,560 --> 01:01:33,589
so hang in there if you're listening

1422
01:02:15,660 --> 01:02:12,780
all right we're on the line here with

1423
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:15,670
Ray Hernandez he is going to be talking

1424
01:02:21,630 --> 01:02:19,170
this hour more about the the research

1425
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:21,640
that the study that is being done with

1426
01:02:27,030 --> 01:02:24,730
all these 2,000 some odd people you can

1427
01:02:30,150 --> 01:02:27,040
call in this show at six oh three nine

1428
01:02:33,780 --> 01:02:30,160
six seven four OH three oh you can Skype

1429
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:33,790
in that Marty Willis at the username

1430
01:02:42,510 --> 01:02:36,850
Skype username Marty Willis ma are T y

1431
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:42,520
WI ll is and alright so we sort of left

1432
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:45,250
off about people being able to talk

1433
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:48,850
about this openly freely and I

1434
01:02:54,270 --> 01:02:52,090
understand you know it this is has so

1435
01:02:58,410 --> 01:02:54,280
many parallels to you hear about other

1436
01:03:02,130 --> 01:02:58,420
like support groups of whatever kind it

1437
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:02,140
is where people you know in numbers feel

1438
01:03:06,990 --> 01:03:03,850
safe and talk about their own

1439
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:07,000
experiences and whatever they are in any

1440
01:03:13,950 --> 01:03:11,770
given group and how say even a a or all

1441
01:03:15,780 --> 01:03:13,960
that how it seems to work it seems to

1442
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:15,790
comfort people to be able to talk about

1443
01:03:20,220 --> 01:03:18,250
it is that is that part of what brie is

1444
01:03:22,740 --> 01:03:20,230
doing yes yes we also have another

1445
01:03:24,330 --> 01:03:22,750
program which I haven't discussed yet we

1446
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:24,340
have actually been running it for a year

1447
01:03:28,980 --> 01:03:26,650
and a half it used to be called the

1448
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:28,990
experiencer buddy program and now it's

1449
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:32,050
called the experiencer peer support

1450
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:34,720
program and it's individual it's what it

1451
01:03:42,300 --> 01:03:38,290
is is that we announce it to individuals

1452
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:42,310
that have had any type of of contact

1453
01:03:46,260 --> 01:03:44,890
experience with I don't like to use the

1454
01:03:48,330 --> 01:03:46,270
word et because it signifies

1455
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:48,340
extraterrestrial but basically any

1456
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:49,530
ufo-related

1457
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:52,570
non-human intelligent being and you need

1458
01:03:57,150 --> 01:03:54,250
someone to talk to

1459
01:03:59,580 --> 01:03:57,160
we hook you up with an individual that

1460
01:04:01,980 --> 01:03:59,590
has had many years of having these

1461
01:04:03,900 --> 01:04:01,990
experiences most of the individuals that

1462
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:03,910
are have volunteered for this we have

1463
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:06,850
over 30 of them most of them are in

1464
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:10,330
their late 50s 60s and even 70s and

1465
01:04:13,530 --> 01:04:11,770
these individuals that are not

1466
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:13,540
traumatized by this

1467
01:04:16,770 --> 01:04:15,250
they might have had early trauma you

1468
01:04:19,110 --> 01:04:16,780
know when they first began these

1469
01:04:20,820 --> 01:04:19,120
experiences but over the years it's like

1470
01:04:22,860 --> 01:04:20,830
you know been there done that

1471
01:04:24,630 --> 01:04:22,870
you know so we hooked these people up

1472
01:04:27,420 --> 01:04:24,640
with these rookies people have never

1473
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:27,430
talked with anybody and even a lot of

1474
01:04:31,020 --> 01:04:29,200
older folks we talked to that I've never

1475
01:04:33,300 --> 01:04:31,030
spoke to anyone except their spouse but

1476
01:04:35,010 --> 01:04:33,310
because we're doing this work with free

1477
01:04:37,020 --> 01:04:35,020
and we're publicizing all this work

1478
01:04:39,660 --> 01:04:37,030
people coming out of the Woodworks you

1479
01:04:41,700 --> 01:04:39,670
know so then they emails they found out

1480
01:04:43,620 --> 01:04:41,710
about this program the the Buddy Program

1481
01:04:45,180 --> 01:04:43,630
now called the peer support program and

1482
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:45,190
we hooked them up with someone to talk

1483
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:49,090
to and in a year and a half we have

1484
01:04:54,810 --> 01:04:52,960
helped almost 350 people mmm okay now

1485
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:54,820
let me give an example of myself okay I

1486
01:04:59,850 --> 01:04:57,610
did not have a traumatic experience it

1487
01:05:02,610 --> 01:04:59,860
was my wife sees them as angels you know

1488
01:05:04,980 --> 01:05:02,620
and four and they did have a miraculous

1489
01:05:07,590 --> 01:05:04,990
healing of our dog and I never had

1490
01:05:10,140 --> 01:05:07,600
anything negative okay but yet I was

1491
01:05:13,650 --> 01:05:10,150
extremely traumatized by this why

1492
01:05:17,340 --> 01:05:13,660
because my whole mindset was totally

1493
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:17,350
blown up here I was an atheist okay

1494
01:05:21,660 --> 01:05:19,090
my wife would force me to go to church

1495
01:05:24,060 --> 01:05:21,670
on Sundays and it would be like once a

1496
01:05:25,590 --> 01:05:24,070
month I would go you know the other

1497
01:05:28,050 --> 01:05:25,600
times when she would go without me you

1498
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:28,060
know and I was trained at Berkeley and a

1499
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:29,890
PhD candidate at Berkeley you know

1500
01:05:34,290 --> 01:05:31,930
rational materialist and all of a sudden

1501
01:05:35,700 --> 01:05:34,300
this thing you know pops in my living

1502
01:05:39,810 --> 01:05:35,710
room and then all these other

1503
01:05:43,710 --> 01:05:39,820
experiences so your your mind gets blown

1504
01:05:45,030 --> 01:05:43,720
to little pieces and you have to put

1505
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:45,040
them together again to make some

1506
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:48,370
semblance of your life you know you

1507
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:50,290
don't work you become depressed you're

1508
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:52,450
like totally anxious to be able to talk

1509
01:05:57,300 --> 01:05:54,850
with someone someone and it was about

1510
01:06:00,180 --> 01:05:57,310
nine months that I was alone I had no

1511
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:00,190
one to talk to so you know even though

1512
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:01,450
eat and that's even though my

1513
01:06:05,100 --> 01:06:03,490
experiences were positive so there's a

1514
01:06:06,750 --> 01:06:05,110
tremendous need to talk to other people

1515
01:06:08,130 --> 01:06:06,760
right right

1516
01:06:10,860 --> 01:06:08,140
there's a question up on the message

1517
01:06:13,500 --> 01:06:10,870
board I thought you addressed it in your

1518
01:06:16,470 --> 01:06:13,510
first encounter but perhaps not have you

1519
01:06:18,810 --> 01:06:16,480
seen an et in person and if so can you

1520
01:06:21,780 --> 01:06:18,820
describe the features oh yeah I did

1521
01:06:25,170 --> 01:06:21,790
describe it it was this floating plasma

1522
01:06:26,790 --> 01:06:25,180
beam but was there any other any have

1523
01:06:28,340 --> 01:06:26,800
you ever had another

1524
01:06:30,780 --> 01:06:28,350
experience where you've actually

1525
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:30,790
physically saw no not physically that's

1526
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:33,330
the only one but basically this et

1527
01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:36,240
whatever you want to call it you know

1528
01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:40,720
did take my wife and the dog and return

1529
01:06:46,350 --> 01:06:42,880
them back later you know the dog totally

1530
01:06:48,750 --> 01:06:46,360
cured it did Ahmed forced me to act

1531
01:06:50,070 --> 01:06:48,760
totally irrationally you just don't look

1532
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:50,080
at something like that million River

1533
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:52,450
home wave your hand at it just said BS

1534
01:06:57,030 --> 01:06:54,880
then go upstairs and you get knocked out

1535
01:06:59,190 --> 01:06:57,040
like you know and in seconds you know

1536
01:07:01,170 --> 01:06:59,200
and then all of a sudden wake up and

1537
01:07:03,390 --> 01:07:01,180
realize that you know your your back

1538
01:07:06,180 --> 01:07:03,400
your your consciousness your real mind

1539
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:06,190
your real thinking you know his back and

1540
01:07:10,860 --> 01:07:07,930
you run down the stairs and then you

1541
01:07:13,170 --> 01:07:10,870
know craziness develops after your wife

1542
01:07:15,110 --> 01:07:13,180
tells tells you what she had you know so

1543
01:07:18,570 --> 01:07:15,120
it definitely was a being it was not a

1544
01:07:20,430 --> 01:07:18,580
plasma ball like an energy ball or

1545
01:07:22,140 --> 01:07:20,440
something like that though it was so

1546
01:07:25,170 --> 01:07:22,150
huge you know you just can't make this

1547
01:07:28,610 --> 01:07:25,180
stuff up it was a beam now how long

1548
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:28,620
lasting was the effects on the dog oh

1549
01:07:34,410 --> 01:07:31,450
the dog mind you she was sixteen years

1550
01:07:36,540 --> 01:07:34,420
old okay again that's the equivalent I

1551
01:07:38,700 --> 01:07:36,550
guess you know someone that's 95 or

1552
01:07:42,420 --> 01:07:38,710
something like that she lived for

1553
01:07:44,100 --> 01:07:42,430
another 11 months like a teenager Wow 11

1554
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:44,110
a half months I would say like a

1555
01:07:49,830 --> 01:07:48,010
teenager running back and forth jumping

1556
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:49,840
up and down like whatever and then the

1557
01:07:55,770 --> 01:07:52,450
last two weeks of her life she just she

1558
01:07:57,630 --> 01:07:55,780
went down super fast to the point where

1559
01:07:59,850 --> 01:07:57,640
you know she was like barely able to

1560
01:08:02,910 --> 01:07:59,860
walk at that point but that it was real

1561
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:02,920
quick was like in two weeks so we

1562
01:08:07,620 --> 01:08:04,570
brought it to the vet as a matter of

1563
01:08:09,150 --> 01:08:07,630
fact the first time as soon after this

1564
01:08:11,340 --> 01:08:09,160
happened because she was taking all this

1565
01:08:13,170 --> 01:08:11,350
medication she was taking Viagra she was

1566
01:08:15,330 --> 01:08:13,180
taking Doretta --xx and we were saying

1567
01:08:16,710 --> 01:08:15,340
you know well now that she's healthy you

1568
01:08:18,090 --> 01:08:16,720
know we don't know whether to give her

1569
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:18,100
this medicine so he brought it to the

1570
01:08:21,630 --> 01:08:20,410
vet and we told the check route you know

1571
01:08:23,220 --> 01:08:21,640
any checked route he says what the hell

1572
01:08:24,809 --> 01:08:23,230
happened you know and we thought we

1573
01:08:26,910 --> 01:08:24,819
don't know she just woke up like that

1574
01:08:31,020 --> 01:08:26,920
way you know I never heard of giving a

1575
01:08:33,180 --> 01:08:31,030
dog viagra oh it's a common thing you

1576
01:08:35,940 --> 01:08:33,190
ask a vet and they will tell you that

1577
01:08:37,410 --> 01:08:35,950
they do prescribed viagra for dog dogs

1578
01:08:38,700 --> 01:08:37,420
that their heart is not functioning

1579
01:08:40,670 --> 01:08:38,710
properly well I think that was the

1580
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:40,680
original

1581
01:08:45,630 --> 01:08:43,930
Genesis of Viagra was for heart medicine

1582
01:08:46,829 --> 01:08:45,640
or something I believe yeah my

1583
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:46,839
understanding is that it stimulates

1584
01:08:52,110 --> 01:08:49,839
blood flow movement throughout your body

1585
01:08:54,599 --> 01:08:52,120
and the heart it gets the heart working

1586
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:54,609
you know and and she had a very very bad

1587
01:09:00,240 --> 01:08:56,890
heart and she was taking the Doretta

1588
01:09:02,370 --> 01:09:00,250
ksterba water in her heart mm-hmm

1589
01:09:04,079 --> 01:09:02,380
and and I think in her lungs as well so

1590
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:04,089
you know she was very very sick bored

1591
01:09:08,670 --> 01:09:06,400
right but he checked her out did a blood

1592
01:09:10,650 --> 01:09:08,680
test on her and says she's completely

1593
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:10,660
healthy as a matter of fact she's like

1594
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:12,730
you know when she was many many years

1595
01:09:16,890 --> 01:09:14,890
ago you know what the hell happened you

1596
01:09:19,019 --> 01:09:16,900
know that is bizarre that hold that and

1597
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:19,029
so we did tell him the truth like a year

1598
01:09:23,459 --> 01:09:21,489
later okay we did tell him the truth

1599
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:23,469
because he was a friend of ours and it

1600
01:09:26,130 --> 01:09:24,640
was only like a year and a half later

1601
01:09:29,340 --> 01:09:26,140
that we started talking about this you

1602
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:29,350
know publicly and he and we did tell him

1603
01:09:32,490 --> 01:09:31,120
and he basically thought that you know

1604
01:09:34,440 --> 01:09:32,500
we were nuts you know he like changed

1605
01:09:35,849 --> 01:09:34,450
the subject and things of that but my

1606
01:09:37,709 --> 01:09:35,859
daughter was in there because his

1607
01:09:39,059 --> 01:09:37,719
daughter and my daughter attended same

1608
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:39,069
elementary school and they were Nisus in

1609
01:09:44,430 --> 01:09:41,770
the same class you know so you know he

1610
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:44,440
did verify for my wife all the facts he

1611
01:09:49,229 --> 01:09:47,890
did verify from my daughter so it's like

1612
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:49,239
you know he just didn't know how to

1613
01:09:53,579 --> 01:09:51,130
handle it you know when you hear about

1614
01:09:56,100 --> 01:09:53,589
this for the first time you know is the

1615
01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:56,110
entire family crazy yeah you know I

1616
01:09:58,560 --> 01:09:58,000
understand that I mean that's pretty

1617
01:10:00,780 --> 01:09:58,570
typical

1618
01:10:02,610 --> 01:10:00,790
can you provide we'll shift gears a

1619
01:10:04,979 --> 01:10:02,620
little bit can you provide an overview

1620
01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:04,989
of the free experience or research

1621
01:10:10,190 --> 01:10:07,120
project in general okay

1622
01:10:13,229 --> 01:10:10,200
based basically what happened was that

1623
01:10:15,390 --> 01:10:13,239
as you know I have this academic

1624
01:10:16,830 --> 01:10:15,400
background okay when I had this

1625
01:10:19,530 --> 01:10:16,840
experience I did what is called an

1626
01:10:22,380 --> 01:10:19,540
academic literature review so I looked

1627
01:10:24,900 --> 01:10:22,390
at the Publishing's of professors of

1628
01:10:27,300 --> 01:10:24,910
academics I totally ignored you know the

1629
01:10:28,650 --> 01:10:27,310
works of non academic or information

1630
01:10:31,709 --> 01:10:28,660
that was recovered through hypnotic

1631
01:10:33,300 --> 01:10:31,719
regression because it not a good

1632
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:33,310
question is not is very controversial

1633
01:10:37,650 --> 01:10:36,010
and it's not fully recognized and it's

1634
01:10:40,290 --> 01:10:37,660
not something that academics rely upon

1635
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:40,300
and so what I found out was that almost

1636
01:10:44,850 --> 01:10:42,570
nothing was published about this

1637
01:10:47,070 --> 01:10:44,860
quantitatively okay through quantitative

1638
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:47,080
data I mean you could go a thousand you

1639
01:10:50,190 --> 01:10:48,370
know a hundred people go into your

1640
01:10:52,170 --> 01:10:50,200
office and for you to write a book about

1641
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:52,180
those hundred people but that's not a

1642
01:10:56,069 --> 01:10:54,159
scientific quantitative

1643
01:10:59,580 --> 01:10:56,079
that can really tell you what's going on

1644
01:11:01,890 --> 01:10:59,590
throughout you know society and so I

1645
01:11:03,689 --> 01:11:01,900
then did a literature review and what I

1646
01:11:06,060 --> 01:11:03,699
found out was that the very last study

1647
01:11:08,779 --> 01:11:06,070
in this field was the study that was

1648
01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:08,789
done by our very own Kathleen Martin and

1649
01:11:14,129 --> 01:11:12,249
donor men Danny stoner yeah who's also a

1650
01:11:16,649 --> 01:11:14,139
member of free and has been working with

1651
01:11:18,929 --> 01:11:16,659
us for two-and-a-half years and

1652
01:11:22,049 --> 01:11:18,939
basically that study only had 50

1653
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:22,059
individuals that I've had abductions

1654
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:26,320
okay and there was only 45 questions now

1655
01:11:31,409 --> 01:11:28,090
this is not going to cut you know the

1656
01:11:34,409 --> 01:11:31,419
cake you know you need to focus not only

1657
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:34,419
on abductions you need to focus on the

1658
01:11:39,390 --> 01:11:36,610
individuals that are having all types of

1659
01:11:41,879 --> 01:11:39,400
ufo-related contact experiences because

1660
01:11:45,060 --> 01:11:41,889
all of our researchers fully understand

1661
01:11:46,819 --> 01:11:45,070
that abduction is just a small abductees

1662
01:11:49,259 --> 01:11:46,829
it's just a small component of

1663
01:11:52,169 --> 01:11:49,269
individuals that are seeing UFOs and

1664
01:11:54,149 --> 01:11:52,179
that have had et contact and as a matter

1665
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:54,159
of fact our research study I can't not

1666
01:11:59,759 --> 01:11:56,530
give you the actual percentages and the

1667
01:12:03,120 --> 01:11:59,769
numbers but our research study confirms

1668
01:12:05,790 --> 01:12:03,130
that hypothesis that every member of our

1669
01:12:08,429 --> 01:12:05,800
group said that abduction is just one

1670
01:12:10,409 --> 01:12:08,439
smaller component of the overall people

1671
01:12:13,319 --> 01:12:10,419
that are that are having they're seeing

1672
01:12:15,060 --> 01:12:13,329
UFOs and are having contact so anyway I

1673
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:15,070
said well we almost know nothing about

1674
01:12:20,669 --> 01:12:16,449
this because all the studies have been

1675
01:12:25,799 --> 01:12:20,679
on abductees so what what differentiates

1676
01:12:27,419 --> 01:12:25,809
our study with the previous studies that

1677
01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:27,429
have been done in the past

1678
01:12:32,100 --> 01:12:30,249
one is the sample pool as I said earlier

1679
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:32,110
you know Kathleen's study had 50

1680
01:12:37,020 --> 01:12:35,650
abductees léo sample pool in his studies

1681
01:12:41,279 --> 01:12:37,030
were very small

1682
01:12:43,799 --> 01:12:41,289
there was another professor professor as

1683
01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:43,809
a French named Robert

1684
01:12:49,949 --> 01:12:46,719
lelou Irv who published this study back

1685
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:49,959
in 2010 titled the omega-3 participant

1686
01:12:56,279 --> 01:12:53,050
summary a project and it only had 71

1687
01:12:58,640 --> 01:12:56,289
individuals and it was a very few number

1688
01:13:03,149 --> 01:12:58,650
of questions in a very very limited area

1689
01:13:05,580 --> 01:13:03,159
and and then there was a report that was

1690
01:13:07,860 --> 01:13:05,590
done by Robert Bullard but again he took

1691
01:13:09,930 --> 01:13:07,870
his data not on on

1692
01:13:12,150 --> 01:13:09,940
quantitative surveys that he undertook

1693
01:13:15,660 --> 01:13:12,160
he took quantitative surveys that were

1694
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:15,670
done by Koufos of UFO reports and and

1695
01:13:19,770 --> 01:13:17,650
some of the experiences that people had

1696
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:19,780
mainly abduction type of experiences so

1697
01:13:27,390 --> 01:13:22,090
basically unfair to say that we almost

1698
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:27,400
know nothing about the overall you will

1699
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:30,130
fall related eg contact phenomenon now

1700
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:32,290
you interrupt you just for a second I do

1701
01:13:36,660 --> 01:13:33,970
want to ask for a couple of sample

1702
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:36,670
questions in that but one of them I just

1703
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:38,170
want to know is because it's a topic

1704
01:13:43,260 --> 01:13:39,730
that comes up quite often and we had

1705
01:13:46,110 --> 01:13:43,270
Nick Redford on recently and that is do

1706
01:13:48,810 --> 01:13:46,120
you ask about their blood type yes we

1707
01:13:51,060 --> 01:13:48,820
ask that and have you can you reveal

1708
01:13:53,130 --> 01:13:51,070
anything about this study or do we have

1709
01:13:55,620 --> 01:13:53,140
to wait till December first well you

1710
01:13:58,710 --> 01:13:55,630
have to wait till December first the

1711
01:14:01,230 --> 01:13:58,720
blood type is not what what most of the

1712
01:14:03,980 --> 01:14:01,240
people think it is okay because that's

1713
01:14:06,510 --> 01:14:03,990
there's a lot of talk about Rh negative

1714
01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:06,520
what it is is that Joe Montalvo did a

1715
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:10,000
study of individuals that that were

1716
01:14:15,420 --> 01:14:13,210
targeted with Rh negative okay we still

1717
01:14:17,190 --> 01:14:15,430
need to do a full statistical analysis

1718
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:17,200
like for example there might be a

1719
01:14:21,540 --> 01:14:18,880
difference between the people that are

1720
01:14:24,060 --> 01:14:21,550
actually abducted okay

1721
01:14:26,340 --> 01:14:24,070
and what is there are Rh negative factor

1722
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:26,350
and the people that I've had you know

1723
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:29,170
ETS visit them but have no idea that

1724
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:31,690
they've ever been abducted okay and you

1725
01:14:34,430 --> 01:14:32,650
know and obviously they've had you a

1726
01:14:37,020 --> 01:14:34,440
folk-rock

1727
01:14:38,130 --> 01:14:37,030
experiences so it might be a difference

1728
01:14:40,620 --> 01:14:38,140
between those two groups

1729
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:40,630
but that only comes later on after

1730
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:42,490
December 1st when we start doing

1731
01:14:47,250 --> 01:14:45,280
statistical analysis I think um and

1732
01:14:48,660 --> 01:14:47,260
comparing different groups you know how

1733
01:14:49,770 --> 01:14:48,670
did this group answer that question how

1734
01:14:51,570 --> 01:14:49,780
did this other group answer that

1735
01:14:54,410 --> 01:14:51,580
question so that's why I'm saying what

1736
01:14:57,900 --> 01:14:54,420
we're doing is a very very sophisticated

1737
01:15:00,000 --> 01:14:57,910
study the preliminary findings you know

1738
01:15:01,950 --> 01:15:00,010
not the statistical cross comparisons

1739
01:15:03,870 --> 01:15:01,960
but the preliminary findings will be

1740
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:03,880
publicly reviewed but individuals need

1741
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:06,010
to understand that the actual the the

1742
01:15:11,580 --> 01:15:07,930
real juicy stuff the cross comparing see

1743
01:15:13,470 --> 01:15:11,590
stuff will not be done until several

1744
01:15:15,810 --> 01:15:13,480
months later I thought that was really

1745
01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:15,820
interesting with Denise and Kathleen

1746
01:15:21,230 --> 01:15:19,450
Mardon did their study just to to hear

1747
01:15:23,030 --> 01:15:21,240
the commonalities

1748
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:23,040
between you know abductees no matter

1749
01:15:26,750 --> 01:15:24,930
where they are from but one of the the

1750
01:15:28,700 --> 01:15:26,760
questions I have for you

1751
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:28,710
you know you reached out in all these

1752
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:31,440
different venues to all these people to

1753
01:15:35,450 --> 01:15:32,370
take the survey

1754
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:35,460
does anyone vet any of these people or

1755
01:15:40,670 --> 01:15:38,210
is it just is it like free-flowing

1756
01:15:43,070 --> 01:15:40,680
what we're gonna be doing is we're gonna

1757
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:43,080
be doing hundreds of interviews I see

1758
01:15:48,410 --> 01:15:45,090
we're gonna be getting these individuals

1759
01:15:50,060 --> 01:15:48,420
and again another difference between our

1760
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:50,070
study in the previous studies was that

1761
01:15:54,170 --> 01:15:52,890
the previous studies took abductees

1762
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:54,180
again because all the previous studies

1763
01:15:59,870 --> 01:15:57,600
were on abductees that had experiences

1764
01:16:02,710 --> 01:15:59,880
through hypnotic regression we did not

1765
01:16:05,140 --> 01:16:02,720
accept that nice we only asked for

1766
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:05,150
experiences based upon conscious

1767
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:08,730
explicit memory that's it no lucid

1768
01:16:12,590 --> 01:16:11,760
dreams no mystical meditation journeys

1769
01:16:14,990 --> 01:16:12,600
and things like that

1770
01:16:18,110 --> 01:16:15,000
even though lucid dreams and mystical

1771
01:16:20,540 --> 01:16:18,120
meditation and hypnotic regressions is

1772
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:20,550
valuable information to be able to study

1773
01:16:24,620 --> 01:16:23,250
this phenomenon that component we're

1774
01:16:28,730 --> 01:16:24,630
going to be asking when we do the

1775
01:16:33,370 --> 01:16:28,740
interviews but the surveys were just

1776
01:16:35,830 --> 01:16:33,380
based on consciousness explicit memory

1777
01:16:39,500 --> 01:16:35,840
well now that we're talking about this

1778
01:16:43,030 --> 01:16:39,510
you know I'm thinking of someone like

1779
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:43,040
say the Allagash experiencers on

1780
01:16:48,350 --> 01:16:45,330
everyone remembered at ten years later

1781
01:16:50,570 --> 01:16:48,360
they only remembered through well

1782
01:16:52,540 --> 01:16:50,580
tidbits were coming back to them but

1783
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:52,550
they were having all this through

1784
01:16:59,150 --> 01:16:55,130
regression all of them separately and

1785
01:17:03,350 --> 01:16:59,160
they all came up with you know the same

1786
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:03,360
story separately but you're not you're

1787
01:17:07,730 --> 01:17:05,760
not interested so much in as far as

1788
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:07,740
people taking a survey and that type of

1789
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:10,530
situation but you are interested as far

1790
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:12,000
as interviewing them is that what I'm

1791
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:14,730
getting well the surveys again there's

1792
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:17,610
two different focuses here for the

1793
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:20,490
survey if you just ask any which way

1794
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:23,370
question about hypnotic regression or

1795
01:17:27,260 --> 01:17:25,920
lucid dreams or mystical meditation you

1796
01:17:28,970 --> 01:17:27,270
could have your next-door neighbor who

1797
01:17:31,130 --> 01:17:28,980
took at the Laura's can in class for

1798
01:17:34,100 --> 01:17:31,140
three hours that does past life

1799
01:17:35,239 --> 01:17:34,110
regressions to do a hypnotic regression

1800
01:17:38,489 --> 01:17:35,249
session on them

1801
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:38,499
okay or you could have someone who

1802
01:17:44,339 --> 01:17:41,650
totally sees these entities as pure

1803
01:17:46,319 --> 01:17:44,349
angelic will not even touch anything

1804
01:17:48,779 --> 01:17:46,329
anyone that has had any type of negative

1805
01:17:51,299 --> 01:17:48,789
experiences and someone who has no idea

1806
01:17:54,810 --> 01:17:51,309
what the hell they're doing coaching and

1807
01:17:58,290 --> 01:17:54,820
guiding the questions right that's

1808
01:18:01,439 --> 01:17:58,300
always been a concern you know most we

1809
01:18:03,929 --> 01:18:01,449
have sort of a mutual friend I don't

1810
01:18:06,270 --> 01:18:03,939
know how well you know her but she is

1811
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:06,280
just getting into the field and you know

1812
01:18:10,859 --> 01:18:09,280
that as far as leading they're very

1813
01:18:13,469 --> 01:18:10,869
careful to make sure that they're not

1814
01:18:16,410 --> 01:18:13,479
leading people but I can definitely see

1815
01:18:18,209 --> 01:18:16,420
how that would yeah what's going to

1816
01:18:20,339 --> 01:18:18,219
happen to answer your question is that

1817
01:18:22,919 --> 01:18:20,349
for the surveys knowing that we would be

1818
01:18:25,679 --> 01:18:22,929
fully attacked if we allowed hypnotic

1819
01:18:28,739 --> 01:18:25,689
regression in the quantitative survey

1820
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:28,749
okay but for the interviews we're gonna

1821
01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:30,880
be you know one on one we're gonna be

1822
01:18:34,529 --> 01:18:32,320
recording these entities and we're going

1823
01:18:35,790 --> 01:18:34,539
to be going experienced by experience

1824
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:35,800
that experience they want to be asking

1825
01:18:41,910 --> 01:18:39,610
was that hypnotic regression was it

1826
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:41,920
conscious explicit memory was it a lucid

1827
01:18:48,060 --> 01:18:44,170
you know to clarify each detailed

1828
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:48,070
experience and and again to have that as

1829
01:18:52,890 --> 01:18:50,530
part of the interview which is part of

1830
01:18:55,890 --> 01:18:52,900
the experience or phenomenon for example

1831
01:18:59,580 --> 01:18:55,900
if if dr. John Mac you know did or

1832
01:19:00,660 --> 01:18:59,590
Kathleen Martin did a regression you

1833
01:19:02,339 --> 01:19:00,670
know we know it's going to be done

1834
01:19:03,870 --> 01:19:02,349
properly incorrectly because they've had

1835
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:03,880
years of training they went to

1836
01:19:06,929 --> 01:19:05,170
professional schools for all of this

1837
01:19:08,250 --> 01:19:06,939
that sort of thing they're trained not

1838
01:19:11,279 --> 01:19:08,260
to be by is that sort of thing

1839
01:19:13,049 --> 01:19:11,289
but we cannot control for every you know

1840
01:19:14,580 --> 01:19:13,059
Mickey Mouse person out in the streets

1841
01:19:16,350 --> 01:19:14,590
that's doing these hypnotic regressions

1842
01:19:18,299 --> 01:19:16,360
like I said someone that's had a

1843
01:19:19,529 --> 01:19:18,309
three-hour Delores cannon course and I'm

1844
01:19:21,569 --> 01:19:19,539
not knocking her because I took that

1845
01:19:23,129 --> 01:19:21,579
course myself and I found that you know

1846
01:19:26,250 --> 01:19:23,139
very interesting and very helpful for me

1847
01:19:27,509 --> 01:19:26,260
but I'm not I can't go out now and do

1848
01:19:27,870 --> 01:19:27,519
hypnotic regressions you don't I'm

1849
01:19:30,359 --> 01:19:27,880
saying

1850
01:19:32,669 --> 01:19:30,369
sure so but we are going to be

1851
01:19:38,279 --> 01:19:32,679
incorporating that for the interviews I

1852
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:38,289
said yeah okay well I understand that

1853
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:40,570
certainly and just again if you're

1854
01:19:45,270 --> 01:19:42,489
listening live you can either Skype at

1855
01:19:48,569 --> 01:19:45,280
Marty Willis or you can call in at six

1856
01:19:52,799 --> 01:19:48,579
oh three nine six seven four Oh

1857
01:19:53,879 --> 01:19:52,809
three-oh and wind salon what it's all

1858
01:19:56,579 --> 01:19:53,889
what I was gonna say Marty's that I

1859
01:19:58,859 --> 01:19:56,589
still have a couple of basic differences

1860
01:20:00,029 --> 01:19:58,869
between our study and other studies but

1861
01:20:04,169 --> 01:20:00,039
we could continue after you asked a

1862
01:20:06,299 --> 01:20:04,179
question okay well I think I kind of

1863
01:20:07,709 --> 01:20:06,309
lost my my place here and what I was

1864
01:20:16,679 --> 01:20:07,719
going to ask you it was related to what

1865
01:20:20,609 --> 01:20:16,689
you're just talking about yeah but go

1866
01:20:22,489 --> 01:20:20,619
ahead and go ahead and it's me it's me

1867
01:20:24,540 --> 01:20:22,499
I'm trying to look at the chat room and

1868
01:20:26,729 --> 01:20:24,550
all kinds of things all at the same time

1869
01:20:28,529 --> 01:20:26,739
so I can easily mix aspect that

1870
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:28,539
differentiates our study with other

1871
01:20:34,259 --> 01:20:31,530
studies like I told you we already have

1872
01:20:37,379 --> 01:20:34,269
2,500 individuals now these are in three

1873
01:20:40,379 --> 01:20:37,389
different languages okay in English we

1874
01:20:42,270 --> 01:20:40,389
have had for phase one one over one

1875
01:20:44,129 --> 01:20:42,280
thousand eight one announced almost a

1876
01:20:46,169 --> 01:20:44,139
thousand nine hundred a thousand nine

1877
01:20:49,529 --> 01:20:46,179
hundred individuals that have taken our

1878
01:20:52,219 --> 01:20:49,539
phase one study and phase one is about a

1879
01:20:55,290 --> 01:20:52,229
hundred fifty questions okay we've had

1880
01:20:57,449 --> 01:20:55,300
more now more than a thousand a hundred

1881
01:20:59,879 --> 01:20:57,459
100 individuals that have taken our

1882
01:21:01,589 --> 01:20:59,889
phase two study now the phase 2 studies

1883
01:21:03,689 --> 01:21:01,599
for you know the bigger experiences

1884
01:21:05,549 --> 01:21:03,699
people that have you know had lots of

1885
01:21:07,589 --> 01:21:05,559
diversity of types of experiences so

1886
01:21:10,739 --> 01:21:07,599
again it's a thousand two hundred people

1887
01:21:13,739 --> 01:21:10,749
just in English okay and phase two is

1888
01:21:15,899 --> 01:21:13,749
comprised of 450 questions so the

1889
01:21:18,689 --> 01:21:15,909
difference in terms of the number of

1890
01:21:20,969 --> 01:21:18,699
questions we've got 600 questions and

1891
01:21:22,409 --> 01:21:20,979
you know the last major study that was

1892
01:21:25,409 --> 01:21:22,419
done on this and again it was just on

1893
01:21:27,989 --> 01:21:25,419
abductees was 45 questions so again

1894
01:21:29,429 --> 01:21:27,999
there's a huge difference in terms of

1895
01:21:32,279 --> 01:21:29,439
the type of questions that were asked

1896
01:21:35,819 --> 01:21:32,289
and then we are expecting to do later on

1897
01:21:38,159 --> 01:21:35,829
phase 3 and phase 4 survey down the road

1898
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:38,169
so it's gonna be tons of questions well

1899
01:21:44,310 --> 01:21:42,010
down the road so the other aspect that I

1900
01:21:46,619 --> 01:21:44,320
talked about is the languages in spat we

1901
01:21:48,899 --> 01:21:46,629
have Spanish and in French in Spanish so

1902
01:21:52,139 --> 01:21:48,909
far we've had phase one and we've had

1903
01:21:54,179 --> 01:21:52,149
over 350 individuals that have answered

1904
01:21:56,369 --> 01:21:54,189
phase one phase two is going to be

1905
01:21:58,439 --> 01:21:56,379
launched this week okay by the end of

1906
01:22:01,630 --> 01:21:58,449
this weekend it should be launched phase

1907
01:22:05,610 --> 01:22:01,640
two so we should be able to get a

1908
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:05,620
large sample pool for for Spanish

1909
01:22:08,980 --> 01:22:08,090
individuals and for French I don't know

1910
01:22:11,260 --> 01:22:08,990
what's going on with the French

1911
01:22:13,210 --> 01:22:11,270
individuals but we've only had 25

1912
01:22:15,610 --> 01:22:13,220
individuals now not close to 30

1913
01:22:19,570 --> 01:22:15,620
individuals that have responded to our

1914
01:22:21,790 --> 01:22:19,580
phase 1 French survey you know I I'm

1915
01:22:23,110 --> 01:22:21,800
gonna be talking up in two weeks there's

1916
01:22:26,190 --> 01:22:23,120
going to be a pre-recorded honor to be

1917
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:26,200
speaking with Klaus von from Sweden and

1918
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:29,930
Sweden and he was telling me he you know

1919
01:22:36,340 --> 01:22:31,610
he's really involved

1920
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:36,350
that's his everyday job his UFOs and he

1921
01:22:40,660 --> 01:22:38,930
only knows of like two abductions so it

1922
01:22:43,390 --> 01:22:40,670
is kind of strange it's almost spotty

1923
01:22:44,740 --> 01:22:43,400
around the world and the question I had

1924
01:22:45,940 --> 01:22:44,750
for you that I couldn't remember was

1925
01:22:49,930 --> 01:22:45,950
that not a question it was a statement

1926
01:22:52,110 --> 01:22:49,940
and that is of this weekend Cathleen

1927
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:52,120
Martin was given a few sample

1928
01:23:00,000 --> 01:22:55,610
commonalities of her research that they

1929
01:23:03,700 --> 01:23:00,010
did and she said that 66% of the

1930
01:23:05,290 --> 01:23:03,710
abductions were conscious conscious

1931
01:23:07,810 --> 01:23:05,300
recall yes

1932
01:23:09,850 --> 01:23:07,820
which i think is absolutely fascinating

1933
01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:09,860
because you think of people being

1934
01:23:13,900 --> 01:23:12,080
abducted in their sleep and you think of

1935
01:23:16,270 --> 01:23:13,910
people talking about sleep paralysis and

1936
01:23:19,930 --> 01:23:16,280
all that you know the the common ways

1937
01:23:22,900 --> 01:23:19,940
that you hear I'll try to explain not

1938
01:23:25,570 --> 01:23:22,910
only of abductees but of individuals

1939
01:23:27,370 --> 01:23:25,580
that have had quote-unquote et contact

1940
01:23:29,710 --> 01:23:27,380
experiences and again we're talking

1941
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:29,720
about UFO related et context appearances

1942
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:31,970
people have seen UFOs and have had et

1943
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:33,890
contact I won't give a number but the

1944
01:23:37,090 --> 01:23:35,690
vast majority have been conscious can I

1945
01:23:39,610 --> 01:23:37,100
go back to when you were saying you were

1946
01:23:43,060 --> 01:23:39,620
in a traffic jam yes in a traffic jam

1947
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:43,070
and then you had this experience did you

1948
01:23:46,780 --> 01:23:44,690
just wake up in the middle of the

1949
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:46,790
traffic jam I mean what what happened

1950
01:23:52,030 --> 01:23:50,210
well again one of the issues that we

1951
01:23:55,110 --> 01:23:52,040
asked in our questions is topic of

1952
01:24:00,280 --> 01:23:55,120
missing time which is we're just

1953
01:24:02,710 --> 01:24:00,290
experiences and and researchers are just

1954
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:02,720
starting to understand this and I know

1955
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:04,850
that Joe Montano has spoken on his radio

1956
01:24:10,780 --> 01:24:07,610
show about that extensively but every

1957
01:24:13,150 --> 01:24:10,790
research runner in our group knows about

1958
01:24:15,819 --> 01:24:13,160
missing time because they spoke with so

1959
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:15,829
many experiences like in my case

1960
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:19,010
my wife thought that I never left to go

1961
01:24:24,100 --> 01:24:21,650
upstairs like I was directly behind her

1962
01:24:27,609 --> 01:24:24,110
the entire time but yet indeed I was

1963
01:24:29,069 --> 01:24:27,619
gone anywhere from 15 minutes to to 15

1964
01:24:33,250 --> 01:24:29,079
minutes to a half an hour maybe more

1965
01:24:34,810 --> 01:24:33,260
because we really didn't yeah look at

1966
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:34,820
our clock it was Sunday morning at six

1967
01:24:39,129 --> 01:24:37,250
o'clock you know and it was such a crazy

1968
01:24:43,089 --> 01:24:39,139
day I don't think we looked at our

1969
01:24:46,020 --> 01:24:43,099
clocks okay but missing time is very

1970
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:46,030
very common now Rudy explained to me

1971
01:24:50,950 --> 01:24:49,010
physicists most physicists first of all

1972
01:24:53,169 --> 01:24:50,960
they understand this concept of a

1973
01:24:54,939 --> 01:24:53,179
multi-dimensional reality twenty years

1974
01:24:58,510 --> 01:24:54,949
ago most physicists did not accept it

1975
01:25:00,399 --> 01:24:58,520
okay but now you know Michio Kaku dr.

1976
01:25:01,870 --> 01:25:00,409
green from Columbia most of the major

1977
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:01,880
physicists that are out there that are

1978
01:25:08,530 --> 01:25:06,320
talking to the public acknowledge that

1979
01:25:10,629 --> 01:25:08,540
they have a hard time believing in the

1980
01:25:13,270 --> 01:25:10,639
multi-dimensional world you know reality

1981
01:25:16,510 --> 01:25:13,280
of our universe of universes but now

1982
01:25:16,780 --> 01:25:16,520
they're begrudgingly forcing to accept

1983
01:25:20,740 --> 01:25:16,790
it

1984
01:25:24,330 --> 01:25:20,750
so Rudy said that in fact we live in a

1985
01:25:27,370 --> 01:25:24,340
multiverse that he's an adherent to

1986
01:25:29,589 --> 01:25:27,380
Edgar's quantum hologram theory of

1987
01:25:32,589 --> 01:25:29,599
consciousness in physics which deals

1988
01:25:35,500 --> 01:25:32,599
with the multiverse reality and that in

1989
01:25:38,229 --> 01:25:35,510
fact time does not exist just like most

1990
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:38,239
physicists except that the concept of

1991
01:25:42,939 --> 01:25:40,250
what we understand is time does not

1992
01:25:45,549 --> 01:25:42,949
exist they most of the people in our

1993
01:25:49,180 --> 01:25:45,559
group also hypothesize that these

1994
01:25:52,359 --> 01:25:49,190
entities are actually multi-dimensional

1995
01:25:56,020 --> 01:25:52,369
entities for many many different reasons

1996
01:25:57,129 --> 01:25:56,030
I will go into those details now with

1997
01:25:59,560 --> 01:25:57,139
the hypothesis there are

1998
01:26:01,720 --> 01:25:59,570
multi-dimensional entities and now that

1999
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:01,730
most physicists accept the fact that we

2000
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:06,170
do live in a multiverse okay is it and

2001
01:26:10,930 --> 01:26:08,090
that most physicists do not accept the

2002
01:26:12,970 --> 01:26:10,940
concept of time as we know what it is

2003
01:26:15,250 --> 01:26:12,980
and that's starting with Einstein in

2004
01:26:19,419 --> 01:26:15,260
terms of his concept of relativity and

2005
01:26:23,379 --> 01:26:19,429
in time isn't it not too much of a

2006
01:26:25,930 --> 01:26:23,389
stretch to think that these ETS can take

2007
01:26:28,689 --> 01:26:25,940
you and put you back in time or or maybe

2008
01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:28,699
in the future in time so in other words

2009
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:29,600
you when you're in

2010
01:26:34,540 --> 01:26:31,370
a car you you think you came back about

2011
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:34,550
the same time your take what I'm getting

2012
01:26:40,620 --> 01:26:37,520
at okay that that you could be put back

2013
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:40,630
and you don't even realize what went on

2014
01:26:46,090 --> 01:26:43,520
some experiences have I think was Betty

2015
01:26:48,190 --> 01:26:46,100
Andreasen in one of her books mentioned

2016
01:26:52,510 --> 01:26:48,200
that she was actually put back like a

2017
01:26:54,370 --> 01:26:52,520
minute before before these ETS came on

2018
01:26:55,750 --> 01:26:54,380
she actually saw in the living room her

2019
01:26:57,910 --> 01:26:55,760
husband and her and her daughter

2020
01:27:00,700 --> 01:26:57,920
something along those lines that she was

2021
01:27:02,130 --> 01:27:00,710
sort of like an ethereal type of person

2022
01:27:04,690 --> 01:27:02,140
that hadn't fully materialized

2023
01:27:07,390 --> 01:27:04,700
materialized back into reality and she

2024
01:27:09,580 --> 01:27:07,400
was seeing what was taking place back in

2025
01:27:11,710 --> 01:27:09,590
time before the each he came like a

2026
01:27:14,050 --> 01:27:11,720
couple of minutes before and numerous

2027
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:14,060
experiences have stated that you know

2028
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:16,610
it's funny this has a parallel a little

2029
01:27:20,620 --> 01:27:18,170
bit and you were talking about in this

2030
01:27:23,170 --> 01:27:20,630
wheel experience you had it has a little

2031
01:27:25,540 --> 01:27:23,180
bit of a parallel to some of the

2032
01:27:27,790 --> 01:27:25,550
near-death experiences I want to go way

2033
01:27:32,110 --> 01:27:27,800
off topic here about its battle topic is

2034
01:27:33,940 --> 01:27:32,120
right on topic okay we have again we ask

2035
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:33,950
that question about near-death

2036
01:27:38,590 --> 01:27:36,410
experiences we also ask a whole series

2037
01:27:42,730 --> 01:27:38,600
of questions whether these ETS

2038
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:42,740
are associated with the afterlife you

2039
01:27:46,410 --> 01:27:44,570
know with the spirit world and we asked

2040
01:27:48,910 --> 01:27:46,420
that question many many different ways

2041
01:27:51,220 --> 01:27:48,920
let me just tell you that based upon our

2042
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:51,230
findings free formed a separate

2043
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:55,130
subcommittee to further explore this is

2044
01:28:00,370 --> 01:27:57,370
only issue that you brought forth and

2045
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:00,380
near-death experience is verily very

2046
01:28:04,660 --> 01:28:03,440
prominently featured well and again I

2047
01:28:06,970 --> 01:28:04,670
can't go into the details the

2048
01:28:09,490 --> 01:28:06,980
percentages but remember I told you in

2049
01:28:11,620 --> 01:28:09,500
one of letters I said that the results

2050
01:28:13,090 --> 01:28:11,630
of our study is going to rock the field

2051
01:28:15,340 --> 01:28:13,100
of ufology and the field of the

2052
01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:15,350
paranormal yes I remember that

2053
01:28:19,420 --> 01:28:17,600
and also there is one little I do want

2054
01:28:21,550 --> 01:28:19,430
to bring something up now that you just

2055
01:28:25,060 --> 01:28:21,560
said that is that there's a little bit

2056
01:28:28,180 --> 01:28:25,070
of conflicting dates I believe on your

2057
01:28:30,340 --> 01:28:28,190
website it says January 1st 2016 you're

2058
01:28:32,380 --> 01:28:30,350
coming out with this you mentioned on

2059
01:28:36,540 --> 01:28:32,390
the show just a few minutes ago that it

2060
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:36,550
was December 1st and it was eventually

2061
01:28:43,449 --> 01:28:41,330
going to be launched in September yeah

2062
01:28:46,660 --> 01:28:43,459
let me let me clarify the okay

2063
01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:46,670
there's nothing there about January 1st

2064
01:28:50,979 --> 01:28:48,800
but let me clarify the day Oh

2065
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:50,989
our Research Committee several weeks ago

2066
01:28:55,060 --> 01:28:53,449
had made a decision now everyone our

2067
01:28:56,649 --> 01:28:55,070
research committee is every one of our

2068
01:28:59,439 --> 01:28:56,659
board of directors that I previously

2069
01:29:01,419 --> 01:28:59,449
mentioned to you except dr. reseals and

2070
01:29:03,939 --> 01:29:01,429
dr. Edgar Mitchell because they are not

2071
01:29:09,759 --> 01:29:03,949
researchers in this field everyone else

2072
01:29:11,649 --> 01:29:09,769
is okay so but they do you know help to

2073
01:29:13,179 --> 01:29:11,659
run this show and free and give advice

2074
01:29:15,069 --> 01:29:13,189
on everything else including our

2075
01:29:16,899 --> 01:29:15,079
research study but these are not people

2076
01:29:19,029 --> 01:29:16,909
like like Kathleen Martin and barry rod

2077
01:29:21,069 --> 01:29:19,039
well Leo sprinkle John clean mode etc

2078
01:29:23,589 --> 01:29:21,079
etc that have been doing this for you

2079
01:29:26,259 --> 01:29:23,599
know working with experiences for 30 40

2080
01:29:29,020 --> 01:29:26,269
years in a research capacity so anyway

2081
01:29:32,049 --> 01:29:29,030
they decided at that meeting that as of

2082
01:29:35,859 --> 01:29:32,059
December 1st that we will close the

2083
01:29:40,390 --> 01:29:35,869
English language surveys and to release

2084
01:29:43,239 --> 01:29:40,400
the English data to the public at that

2085
01:29:45,339 --> 01:29:43,249
time and so subsequently we had our

2086
01:29:49,209 --> 01:29:45,349
first Board of Directors meeting last

2087
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:49,219
Thursday a week ago you know whatever

2088
01:29:55,029 --> 01:29:53,090
six days ago and at that time we

2089
01:29:59,109 --> 01:29:55,039
discussed the fact that it might taint

2090
01:30:00,399 --> 01:29:59,119
the Spanish surveys and the French

2091
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:00,409
surveys that they still have to do their

2092
01:30:08,500 --> 01:30:03,050
phase two surveys so it was decided at

2093
01:30:11,679 --> 01:30:08,510
that meeting to not release the data any

2094
01:30:14,649 --> 01:30:11,689
data on this on September 1st but to

2095
01:30:16,779 --> 01:30:14,659
release the data December 1st so we

2096
01:30:19,209 --> 01:30:16,789
would keep all the surveys open for

2097
01:30:21,149 --> 01:30:19,219
another three months and at that point

2098
01:30:23,649 --> 01:30:21,159
we would go you know on radio shows

2099
01:30:25,149 --> 01:30:23,659
publicly discuss our preliminary data

2100
01:30:27,219 --> 01:30:25,159
that sort of thing

2101
01:30:30,719 --> 01:30:27,229
now the interviews most probably are

2102
01:30:34,839 --> 01:30:30,729
going to start after December 1st

2103
01:30:37,629 --> 01:30:34,849
so December 1st is really the date for

2104
01:30:40,660 --> 01:30:37,639
releasing everything ok because see I

2105
01:30:46,029 --> 01:30:40,670
was on a website which was very similar

2106
01:30:49,750 --> 01:30:46,039
it's experiencer dot co and that that

2107
01:30:51,850 --> 01:30:49,760
known post on that website for goodness

2108
01:30:53,649 --> 01:30:51,860
for over a year and a half okay that's

2109
01:30:55,689 --> 01:30:53,659
why the dates are off okay oh no it's a

2110
01:30:56,669 --> 01:30:55,699
non-functional website everyone we're

2111
01:30:58,859 --> 01:30:56,679
building the website

2112
01:31:02,189 --> 01:30:58,869
now as we say we have like a one-page

2113
01:31:06,060 --> 01:31:02,199
temporary site that lists a lot of links

2114
01:31:07,399 --> 01:31:06,070
but that site is experienced org I see

2115
01:31:11,250 --> 01:31:07,409
uh-huh

2116
01:31:13,199 --> 01:31:11,260
now we talked earlier and you gave me a

2117
01:31:15,390 --> 01:31:13,209
couple of ideas of some questions that

2118
01:31:18,390 --> 01:31:15,400
would be helpful yeah so I don't want to

2119
01:31:20,580 --> 01:31:18,400
ask any that you can't answer and one of

2120
01:31:22,739 --> 01:31:20,590
them was up how many individuals in your

2121
01:31:26,339 --> 01:31:22,749
survey have actually seen a UFO can you

2122
01:31:28,830 --> 01:31:26,349
touch this way okay it's the vast

2123
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:28,840
majority of people that answered our

2124
01:31:34,020 --> 01:31:32,170
survey sure our phase one survey now had

2125
01:31:36,359 --> 01:31:34,030
you seen before your experience in your

2126
01:31:38,759 --> 01:31:36,369
living room where you saw the plasma and

2127
01:31:41,879 --> 01:31:38,769
all that had you seen a UFO or did you

2128
01:31:45,089 --> 01:31:41,889
no no nothing nothing I had no

2129
01:31:47,669 --> 01:31:45,099
conception at all about UFOs about ETS

2130
01:31:50,429 --> 01:31:47,679
the paranormal the only thing I could

2131
01:31:52,290 --> 01:31:50,439
think of is on these cable shows you

2132
01:31:53,969 --> 01:31:52,300
know late at night you know there might

2133
01:31:56,100 --> 01:31:53,979
be an Asian alien show or something like

2134
01:31:57,299 --> 01:31:56,110
that you watch it for 15 minutes and

2135
01:31:59,520 --> 01:31:57,309
then you turn it off because you said

2136
01:32:01,500 --> 01:31:59,530
yourself that's you know and go

2137
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:01,510
on to the next program so that that was

2138
01:32:06,839 --> 01:32:04,570
my only understanding of this reality

2139
01:32:09,149 --> 01:32:06,849
yeah now you said the word

2140
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:09,159
twice I'm not sure that's okay wait did

2141
01:32:13,739 --> 01:32:11,050
I just say it whoops I'd said it too

2142
01:32:17,870 --> 01:32:13,749
that's okay it's nothing it's not a big

2143
01:32:21,949 --> 01:32:19,410
that's all right

2144
01:32:25,890 --> 01:32:21,959
anyone want to call in you can call 603

2145
01:32:29,459 --> 01:32:25,900
967 403 oh now you can ask a question in

2146
01:32:31,739 --> 01:32:29,469
the chat room now you talked about your

2147
01:32:33,929 --> 01:32:31,749
dog in this healing this miraculous

2148
01:32:35,939 --> 01:32:33,939
healing the dog was like a teenager are

2149
01:32:38,390 --> 01:32:35,949
there are people that I have heard this

2150
01:32:41,219 --> 01:32:38,400
and when it comes to people claiming

2151
01:32:43,350 --> 01:32:41,229
after an abduction experience now are

2152
01:32:45,029 --> 01:32:43,360
you seeing any of that oh goodness

2153
01:32:48,689 --> 01:32:45,039
you're asking all the relevant questions

2154
01:32:51,629 --> 01:32:48,699
here let's put it to you this way once

2155
01:32:54,330 --> 01:32:51,639
our researchers saw how people responded

2156
01:32:57,060 --> 01:32:54,340
to that question then they decided to

2157
01:33:01,049 --> 01:32:57,070
pursue it more extensively uh-huh

2158
01:33:03,569 --> 01:33:01,059
oh that's all you're gonna say I cannot

2159
01:33:06,029 --> 01:33:03,579
give you data percentages you know all

2160
01:33:08,279 --> 01:33:06,039
I'm saying is that the people in our

2161
01:33:11,010 --> 01:33:08,289
research team knew that that has been

2162
01:33:15,180 --> 01:33:11,020
happening we actually have to

2163
01:33:17,070 --> 01:33:15,190
members of our board of directors that

2164
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:17,080
can elaborate on that but that's very

2165
01:33:22,770 --> 01:33:20,890
specific to them and no one will long as

2166
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:22,780
they publicly talk about no one will

2167
01:33:25,380 --> 01:33:23,770
ever know about that

2168
01:33:30,180 --> 01:33:25,390
but there are two members of our board

2169
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:30,190
that that have had that experience okay

2170
01:33:35,100 --> 01:33:33,010
and and plus people have heard about it

2171
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:35,110
the researchers have heard about it over

2172
01:33:39,419 --> 01:33:37,330
and over again through the work that

2173
01:33:40,740 --> 01:33:39,429
they do but it's just not something that

2174
01:33:43,140 --> 01:33:40,750
study it's something that's not

2175
01:33:44,939 --> 01:33:43,150
mentioned there's no date on it no one

2176
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:44,949
has ever asked any questions on it

2177
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:47,290
because there most of the studies have

2178
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:49,570
been on abductees you know and that

2179
01:33:54,450 --> 01:33:52,330
question has never been asked okay so we

2180
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:54,460
did ask that question in our study so

2181
01:33:58,410 --> 01:33:56,050
for the first time we actually got real

2182
01:34:00,390 --> 01:33:58,420
data well and let me just tell you the

2183
01:34:04,890 --> 01:34:00,400
responses that we got everybody's

2184
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:04,900
eyeballs popped out now I I want to get

2185
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:06,130
back to a question I asked you in the

2186
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:08,890
last hour and that is the word that I'm

2187
01:34:13,229 --> 01:34:10,690
hearing all the time and I heard it many

2188
01:34:15,660 --> 01:34:13,239
times this weekend at the conference and

2189
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:15,670
that is the word download I got a downlo

2190
01:34:19,169 --> 01:34:17,290
grant Cameron had a download he was on

2191
01:34:22,890 --> 01:34:19,179
recently everyone's talking about

2192
01:34:24,450 --> 01:34:22,900
downloads and am I wrong to say that I

2193
01:34:26,850 --> 01:34:24,460
haven't heard people talk about this

2194
01:34:27,810 --> 01:34:26,860
like a year ago and all of a sudden

2195
01:34:30,180 --> 01:34:27,820
everybody's talking about it

2196
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:30,190
well let me tell you you know my own

2197
01:34:35,790 --> 01:34:32,290
experience when I started talking about

2198
01:34:38,130 --> 01:34:35,800
it I called an eg telegram I had no idea

2199
01:34:40,169 --> 01:34:38,140
what a download was you know because to

2200
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:40,179
me it was a telegram because it was

2201
01:34:45,900 --> 01:34:42,730
superfast it was instantaneous in my

2202
01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:45,910
head it's difficult described you know

2203
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:48,400
because you're you're having this wheel

2204
01:34:52,260 --> 01:34:50,050
here but the information is

2205
01:34:54,060 --> 01:34:52,270
instantaneous it's not like a voice it's

2206
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:54,070
not like hey ray you know wake the hell

2207
01:34:58,439 --> 01:34:56,170
up let me tell you something now pay

2208
01:34:59,820 --> 01:34:58,449
attention you know number one blah blah

2209
01:35:01,890 --> 01:34:59,830
blah number two no it wasn't like that

2210
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:01,900
it's like an instant information going

2211
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:05,890
into your head okay and and and again

2212
01:35:08,790 --> 01:35:07,690
you know I'm not familiar with this

2213
01:35:11,270 --> 01:35:08,800
terminology at least I wasn't

2214
01:35:13,620 --> 01:35:11,280
terminology for so for the longest time

2215
01:35:16,770 --> 01:35:13,630
for a year and a half maybe two years I

2216
01:35:17,910 --> 01:35:16,780
called it an ET telegram then I heard

2217
01:35:20,100 --> 01:35:17,920
other people mentioning the word

2218
01:35:21,810 --> 01:35:20,110
download and I'm the only one that's

2219
01:35:22,890 --> 01:35:21,820
mentioning ET telegram they don't know

2220
01:35:23,940 --> 01:35:22,900
what the hell I'm talking about

2221
01:35:27,570 --> 01:35:23,950
you know so that I

2222
01:35:30,270 --> 01:35:27,580
changed to download you know that's what

2223
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:30,280
a lot of experiences and abductees you

2224
01:35:38,190 --> 01:35:34,690
know because uh what they talk about it

2225
01:35:42,180 --> 01:35:38,200
and again we I don't want to give out

2226
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:42,190
statistics of numbers percentages of

2227
01:35:48,480 --> 01:35:43,810
people that have had these quote-unquote

2228
01:35:50,820 --> 01:35:48,490
downloads but if I told you that it was

2229
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:50,830
a huge number it's not something that's

2230
01:35:55,050 --> 01:35:53,410
that's not know publicly known you know

2231
01:35:56,790 --> 01:35:55,060
if you go to that conference if you talk

2232
01:35:59,070 --> 01:35:56,800
to Kathleen if you talk to Denise if you

2233
01:36:01,320 --> 01:35:59,080
talk to you know all the individuals in

2234
01:36:06,390 --> 01:36:01,330
our group they will tell you that it's a

2235
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:06,400
it goes hand in hand with the et contact

2236
01:36:08,820 --> 01:36:07,930
phenomenon you have four related eg

2237
01:36:11,550 --> 01:36:08,830
contact anima

2238
01:36:12,890 --> 01:36:11,560
you know you go to one of the cases

2239
01:36:16,050 --> 01:36:12,900
which I think is one of the most

2240
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:16,060
outstanding cases ever and it's those

2241
01:36:20,850 --> 01:36:19,210
sixty two schoolchildren in Zimbabwe I

2242
01:36:22,170 --> 01:36:20,860
need to tell your story about that yeah

2243
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:22,180
I'd like to I'd like to talk because

2244
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:24,130
talk about downloads you know they all

2245
01:36:29,490 --> 01:36:27,610
talk afterwards about you know seeing

2246
01:36:30,470 --> 01:36:29,500
visions of you know we better take care

2247
01:36:32,610 --> 01:36:30,480
of the earth

2248
01:36:35,070 --> 01:36:32,620
yeah go ahead what do you have on that

2249
01:36:39,780 --> 01:36:35,080
oh yeah no nobody knows about this okay

2250
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:39,790
my wife has a friend of hers her son was

2251
01:36:44,370 --> 01:36:41,290
a year ahead of my daughter in school

2252
01:36:46,470 --> 01:36:44,380
and because she lived at a distance she

2253
01:36:48,690 --> 01:36:46,480
always hang out with my wife before it

2254
01:36:50,550 --> 01:36:48,700
was time to pick up her son and then

2255
01:36:52,740 --> 01:36:50,560
they became very good friends and then

2256
01:36:57,210 --> 01:36:52,750
you know they get together a lot you

2257
01:36:58,530 --> 01:36:57,220
know for many social occasions so one

2258
01:37:00,360 --> 01:36:58,540
day she was in the house and she

2259
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:00,370
overheard me speaking with an

2260
01:37:05,730 --> 01:37:03,010
experiencer and she heard this word UFO

2261
01:37:07,050 --> 01:37:05,740
UFO you know all over again and there

2262
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:07,060
was someone in Spanish that we were

2263
01:37:12,030 --> 01:37:08,890
talking okay a spanish-speaking

2264
01:37:14,490 --> 01:37:12,040
experiencer so then after I hung up she

2265
01:37:17,130 --> 01:37:14,500
goes ray I overheard you you know

2266
01:37:20,940 --> 01:37:17,140
talking on on your cell phone and you

2267
01:37:22,470 --> 01:37:20,950
were talking about UFOs okay and I think

2268
01:37:25,620 --> 01:37:22,480
we even mentioned someone that has seen

2269
01:37:28,230 --> 01:37:25,630
a UFO what do you know about UFOs so

2270
01:37:30,150 --> 01:37:28,240
then you know I told her okay now we've

2271
01:37:31,530 --> 01:37:30,160
never spoken about this my wife you know

2272
01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:31,540
my wife never speaks about this to

2273
01:37:37,529 --> 01:37:35,170
anyone you know a lot of our friends

2274
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:37,539
know about it but just out

2275
01:37:42,270 --> 01:37:40,090
you know someone that's not an intimate

2276
01:37:44,100 --> 01:37:42,280
close friend we don't talk about this so

2277
01:37:46,259 --> 01:37:44,110
anyway I started telling her about our

2278
01:37:47,549 --> 01:37:46,269
experiences which he never heard of my

2279
01:37:49,350 --> 01:37:47,559
wife's and my daughter and in my

2280
01:37:50,879 --> 01:37:49,360
experience then I started telling her

2281
01:37:52,229 --> 01:37:50,889
about my group that we're doing the the

2282
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:52,239
free group all the members in our group

2283
01:37:57,359 --> 01:37:54,610
and then she says oh my god I've never

2284
01:38:01,379 --> 01:37:57,369
mentioned this to anyone else she was a

2285
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:01,389
schoolteacher in rural Colombia and she

2286
01:38:06,660 --> 01:38:04,090
said it was like similar to some Bob way

2287
01:38:08,580 --> 01:38:06,670
which is rural and it had little kids

2288
01:38:11,549 --> 01:38:08,590
you know like free kindergarten kids all

2289
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:11,559
the way up to I think the eighth grade

2290
01:38:17,490 --> 01:38:14,650
the kids were all of a sudden a ship

2291
01:38:21,020 --> 01:38:17,500
landed on their property at a distance

2292
01:38:25,709 --> 01:38:21,030
and these beings came out three beings

2293
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:25,719
tall small beings and then she even

2294
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:27,250
described it what it looked like and I

2295
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:28,210
said well how do you know what they look

2296
01:38:31,169 --> 01:38:30,250
like she said well the the principal of

2297
01:38:33,839 --> 01:38:31,179
the school and some of the other

2298
01:38:38,129 --> 01:38:33,849
teachers and I in my own class had my

2299
01:38:40,009 --> 01:38:38,139
kids to do the drawings okay the case is

2300
01:38:42,689 --> 01:38:40,019
not you don't hear about this case

2301
01:38:44,759 --> 01:38:42,699
probably no one talks about it who the

2302
01:38:46,020 --> 01:38:44,769
hell is gonna talk about it you know if

2303
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:46,030
you're this lady you're gonna talk about

2304
01:38:50,250 --> 01:38:48,730
it if you one of the teachers there

2305
01:38:53,430 --> 01:38:50,260
you're gonna talk about it of course

2306
01:38:56,430 --> 01:38:53,440
that well it seems it seems like if

2307
01:39:01,560 --> 01:38:56,440
there's enough people that witness

2308
01:39:02,970 --> 01:39:01,570
something like this and I told her I'm

2309
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:02,980
gonna get you on video even if you have

2310
01:39:07,799 --> 01:39:06,010
to turn your back mm-hmm you know for

2311
01:39:09,689 --> 01:39:07,809
you to say it in Spanish which is your

2312
01:39:11,819 --> 01:39:09,699
her native language and for us to

2313
01:39:14,100 --> 01:39:11,829
translate it later and she said yes I'll

2314
01:39:16,740 --> 01:39:14,110
do it you know and then we could get the

2315
01:39:18,330 --> 01:39:16,750
full story and she even mentioned you

2316
01:39:20,580 --> 01:39:18,340
know more or less the date and it was

2317
01:39:23,729 --> 01:39:20,590
like either a year or before after the

2318
01:39:26,009 --> 01:39:23,739
the John Mack incident

2319
01:39:28,770 --> 01:39:26,019
I forgot exactly but in the video she

2320
01:39:30,060 --> 01:39:28,780
could tell her she knows the city I said

2321
01:39:32,850 --> 01:39:30,070
you have any contact with any of those

2322
01:39:35,399 --> 01:39:32,860
teachers she said well maybe one that I

2323
01:39:36,779 --> 01:39:35,409
kept in contact with over the years but

2324
01:39:38,939 --> 01:39:36,789
I haven't spoken with this person in

2325
01:39:41,339 --> 01:39:38,949
many many years and I said do you know

2326
01:39:42,870 --> 01:39:41,349
any of the children and she says no you

2327
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:42,880
know because I haven't lived in that

2328
01:39:46,890 --> 01:39:45,730
city in many many years so then you know

2329
01:39:49,799 --> 01:39:46,900
what I did I went straight to the

2330
01:39:51,359 --> 01:39:49,809
YouTube and I showed her John Mack and

2331
01:39:53,910 --> 01:39:51,369
this woman's our eyeballs

2332
01:39:56,189 --> 01:39:53,920
popped out okay she saw the drawings

2333
01:39:57,839 --> 01:39:56,199
that the kid did she says oh my god it's

2334
01:39:59,790 --> 01:39:57,849
almost the exact drawings that these

2335
01:40:01,080 --> 01:39:59,800
kids drew and that's that was when I

2336
01:40:02,820 --> 01:40:01,090
asked her about the drawings you know

2337
01:40:05,189 --> 01:40:02,830
because she said that they actually

2338
01:40:07,379 --> 01:40:05,199
invited the parents of the kids to come

2339
01:40:11,790 --> 01:40:07,389
in and that's when they had these

2340
01:40:14,129 --> 01:40:11,800
discussions she discussed it in her room

2341
01:40:17,100 --> 01:40:14,139
you know but she described it that her

2342
01:40:19,530 --> 01:40:17,110
kids in her class were the toddlers the

2343
01:40:21,540 --> 01:40:19,540
kids that were you know four years old

2344
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:21,550
five years old and the kid the

2345
01:40:26,879 --> 01:40:24,810
kindergarten kids you know but that

2346
01:40:29,879 --> 01:40:26,889
almost all the kids were out in recess

2347
01:40:31,919 --> 01:40:29,889
so even the older kids saw it it's

2348
01:40:34,350 --> 01:40:31,929
almost identical now here's another

2349
01:40:36,629 --> 01:40:34,360
thing in Australia I asked Mary Rodwell

2350
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:36,639
and some of our folks in Australia they

2351
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:38,650
said that same incident happened in

2352
01:40:43,169 --> 01:40:41,050
Australia where our craft landed these

2353
01:40:46,859 --> 01:40:43,179
grace came out I think was crazy I don't

2354
01:40:49,169 --> 01:40:46,869
want to misspeak here but goodness I I

2355
01:40:51,919 --> 01:40:49,179
think was in the mid 70s to you know

2356
01:40:54,959 --> 01:40:51,929
Westfall maybe that's what it was

2357
01:40:56,580 --> 01:40:54,969
uh-huh well we had we had Shane I'm

2358
01:40:59,100 --> 01:40:56,590
trying to think of his last name Senate

2359
01:41:01,109 --> 01:40:59,110
so the main lead researcher on that yeah

2360
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:01,119
that it was very similar there is a lot

2361
01:41:05,820 --> 01:41:02,770
of similarities to that except I don't

2362
01:41:09,689 --> 01:41:05,830
believe they saw beings but I'm not

2363
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:09,699
positive I can't say that I spoke with a

2364
01:41:13,709 --> 01:41:11,530
couple of folks they said that that a

2365
01:41:15,660 --> 01:41:13,719
craft did appear I think it actually

2366
01:41:17,339 --> 01:41:15,670
landed yes and that it was seen by the

2367
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:17,349
school kids and in terms of the details

2368
01:41:22,410 --> 01:41:20,770
I don't remember but this lady you know

2369
01:41:23,669 --> 01:41:22,420
she was here for like maybe you know an

2370
01:41:26,399 --> 01:41:23,679
hour and a half speaking with my wife

2371
01:41:29,580 --> 01:41:26,409
and we had a quick chat and I like you

2372
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:29,590
know you know told her like you know

2373
01:41:33,570 --> 01:41:31,570
jokingly I said look we got to schedule

2374
01:41:35,220 --> 01:41:33,580
this date you know and as even if you

2375
01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:35,230
got to turn your back you know we'll do

2376
01:41:40,260 --> 01:41:37,570
it it's just as sure you know so I just

2377
01:41:42,419 --> 01:41:40,270
I've been so busy but definitely it's I

2378
01:41:46,350 --> 01:41:42,429
need to do that now does she speak

2379
01:41:48,689 --> 01:41:46,360
English as well very broken in that's

2380
01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:48,699
too bad I'd love to have someone like

2381
01:41:51,990 --> 01:41:50,650
that but again you know she's the type

2382
01:41:53,609 --> 01:41:52,000
that she doesn't you know want to come

2383
01:41:55,169 --> 01:41:53,619
out publicly and open you know yeah

2384
01:41:58,950 --> 01:41:55,179
right but I thought I've had one person

2385
01:42:01,109 --> 01:41:58,960
on here so far in 166 shows that was

2386
01:42:02,850 --> 01:42:01,119
anonymous everyone else yeah I mean I'm

2387
01:42:05,580 --> 01:42:02,860
open to doing something like that

2388
01:42:07,620 --> 01:42:05,590
because I think that story needs to come

2389
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:07,630
I really like I'm definitely gonna do it

2390
01:42:13,740 --> 01:42:09,730
she's let me describe her I would say

2391
01:42:16,379 --> 01:42:13,750
she's in her early 50s she's a single

2392
01:42:19,740 --> 01:42:16,389
parent that lives with her mother has

2393
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:19,750
her son is I think he's like 14 years

2394
01:42:24,870 --> 01:42:22,810
old now you know and they're friends of

2395
01:42:26,580 --> 01:42:24,880
the family now and and it's like out of

2396
01:42:28,169 --> 01:42:26,590
the blue and I said you know have you

2397
01:42:29,910 --> 01:42:28,179
ever had any interest in UFOs and he

2398
01:42:33,300 --> 01:42:29,920
teases and stuff like that and she says

2399
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:33,310
no but I am you know a spiritual person

2400
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:35,530
you know she was asking me questions

2401
01:42:40,140 --> 01:42:37,330
about the Cabal and stuff like that

2402
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:40,150
because I believe she is Jewish and she

2403
01:42:44,010 --> 01:42:42,250
was asking me you know some questions

2404
01:42:45,990 --> 01:42:44,020
about it I told her you know I had read

2405
01:42:47,970 --> 01:42:46,000
some some stuff about it but I don't

2406
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:47,980
know too much and she says she's just

2407
01:42:52,709 --> 01:42:49,690
starting to get into it to try to learn

2408
01:42:54,959 --> 01:42:52,719
it but you know she is a you know a

2409
01:42:56,490 --> 01:42:54,969
spiritual person believes in God but

2410
01:42:59,970 --> 01:42:56,500
she's someone that doesn't want any this

2411
01:43:01,109 --> 01:42:59,980
you know publicized right all right I'm

2412
01:43:02,550 --> 01:43:01,119
gonna skip around a little bit because

2413
01:43:04,379 --> 01:43:02,560
we had a question up on the message

2414
01:43:07,260 --> 01:43:04,389
board and that's going all the way back

2415
01:43:10,979 --> 01:43:07,270
to where your your wife and the dog were

2416
01:43:13,950 --> 01:43:10,989
taken you know the first did you think

2417
01:43:15,899 --> 01:43:13,960
to look for any type of trace evidence I

2418
01:43:18,390 --> 01:43:15,909
mean did that even cross your mind well

2419
01:43:22,620 --> 01:43:18,400
we looked at the wall and I did call

2420
01:43:26,220 --> 01:43:22,630
most both on MUFON Kane after we had our

2421
01:43:28,109 --> 01:43:26,230
third major experience series of

2422
01:43:30,629 --> 01:43:28,119
experiences the first series was inside

2423
01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:30,639
our house the second was was my wife

2424
01:43:35,459 --> 01:43:33,250
having you know the experiences outside

2425
01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:35,469
the house with their craft and in Mexico

2426
01:43:41,399 --> 01:43:38,130
so outside the house was a huge gigantic

2427
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:41,409
craft that she saw and so after the

2428
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:42,730
experience that I had with my daughter

2429
01:43:47,339 --> 01:43:45,250
and these three witnesses I said man I

2430
01:43:50,010 --> 01:43:47,349
got a call move on because I was already

2431
01:43:52,979 --> 01:43:50,020
was a MUFON member at that time because

2432
01:43:55,050 --> 01:43:52,989
I I could have sworn that thousands of

2433
01:43:56,430 --> 01:43:55,060
people had seen this thing because it it

2434
01:43:58,410 --> 01:43:56,440
to me it seemed like it went straight

2435
01:44:01,470 --> 01:43:58,420
back we have a highway like two or three

2436
01:44:03,780 --> 01:44:01,480
blocks away okay so I could have put my

2437
01:44:06,419 --> 01:44:03,790
dad's last dollar that the end of that

2438
01:44:08,669 --> 01:44:06,429
craft was above at highway so I called

2439
01:44:12,330 --> 01:44:08,679
bouffant they had this lady Mary

2440
01:44:13,709 --> 01:44:12,340
Margaret Zimmer that came on board she

2441
01:44:16,200 --> 01:44:13,719
used to be the assistant director for

2442
01:44:17,669 --> 01:44:16,210
Florida MUFON and she had worked with

2443
01:44:19,290 --> 01:44:17,679
experiences for many many years I

2444
01:44:22,530 --> 01:44:19,300
learned later on so

2445
01:44:25,229 --> 01:44:22,540
she came and she did a report I don't

2446
01:44:27,810 --> 01:44:25,239
believe she talked with my daughter I'm

2447
01:44:30,839 --> 01:44:27,820
not quite sure and she didn't even

2448
01:44:32,669 --> 01:44:30,849
interview the other three witnesses to

2449
01:44:36,990 --> 01:44:32,679
the event she says I think mainly spoke

2450
01:44:38,910 --> 01:44:37,000
with my wife and I and and then what

2451
01:44:43,609 --> 01:44:38,920
happened was a hangar one did a show on

2452
01:44:46,470 --> 01:44:43,619
my MUFON report and it was totally

2453
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:46,480
fabrications no you know I have to I

2454
01:44:51,359 --> 01:44:49,690
have to say I hope I don't I don't hope

2455
01:44:53,609 --> 01:44:51,369
I don't upset anyone out there I I

2456
01:44:58,049 --> 01:44:53,619
actually been watching hangar 1 on

2457
01:44:59,970 --> 01:44:58,059
YouTube there's some shows and I like it

2458
01:45:02,490 --> 01:44:59,980
but I also want to say something about

2459
01:45:07,500 --> 01:45:02,500
that show and that is they present

2460
01:45:10,140 --> 01:45:07,510
things as if they're fact it was lies

2461
01:45:12,660 --> 01:45:10,150
then they stated for example they had my

2462
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:12,670
wife quoting like it was that she was

2463
01:45:19,500 --> 01:45:16,570
scared that we were this foreign you

2464
01:45:21,060 --> 01:45:19,510
know evil or nasty entity entered into

2465
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:21,070
our house and stuff no my wife sees them

2466
01:45:25,620 --> 01:45:23,530
in angels they had this craft going

2467
01:45:27,629 --> 01:45:25,630
through the wall and my wife seeing it

2468
01:45:29,459 --> 01:45:27,639
my wife never saw that first craft that

2469
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:29,469
she saw going through a wall because she

2470
01:45:33,510 --> 01:45:31,570
was gone she was taken okay

2471
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:33,520
they had me down there with her seeing

2472
01:45:37,799 --> 01:45:34,690
the craft going through all as a

2473
01:45:41,129 --> 01:45:37,809
complete fabrication but they didn't

2474
01:45:42,959 --> 01:45:41,139
even write down what I saw that plasma

2475
01:45:45,450 --> 01:45:42,969
beam they had nothing about the dog

2476
01:45:47,220 --> 01:45:45,460
being returned miraculously healed they

2477
01:45:50,669 --> 01:45:47,230
had nothing about seems like that would

2478
01:45:52,379 --> 01:45:50,679
be an exciting part of the story they

2479
01:45:55,049 --> 01:45:52,389
didn't even have the proper craft that

2480
01:45:57,359 --> 01:45:55,059
my wife saw they had the picture that I

2481
01:45:59,010 --> 01:45:57,369
drew that my wife Joanne I drew about

2482
01:46:01,379 --> 01:45:59,020
the craft that I saw the plasma being

2483
01:46:03,810 --> 01:46:01,389
they had it all on the hanger one but

2484
01:46:06,089 --> 01:46:03,820
they even discuss it and then they had

2485
01:46:07,530 --> 01:46:06,099
it as a triangle craft they had they

2486
01:46:10,410 --> 01:46:07,540
must have paid a good money of this

2487
01:46:12,149 --> 01:46:10,420
graphic artist doing a triangle craft my

2488
01:46:15,319 --> 01:46:12,159
wife never described the triangle craft

2489
01:46:18,330 --> 01:46:15,329
she described the verybody 300 foot long

2490
01:46:20,459 --> 01:46:18,340
cylinder type of craft with colors at

2491
01:46:22,859 --> 01:46:20,469
the edges you know that was not what was

2492
01:46:25,740 --> 01:46:22,869
drawn in this MUFON hangar 1 they didn't

2493
01:46:28,229 --> 01:46:25,750
even include the drawings that we had

2494
01:46:29,729 --> 01:46:28,239
done with the five witnesses of that

2495
01:46:32,439 --> 01:46:29,739
huge craft that we saw outside a house

2496
01:46:34,959 --> 01:46:32,449
didn't even discuss that or mention it

2497
01:46:35,649 --> 01:46:34,969
so it was a total fabrication and

2498
01:46:37,300 --> 01:46:35,659
Distortion

2499
01:46:40,209 --> 01:46:37,310
did I just hear the ghost of the Jack

2500
01:46:44,290 --> 01:46:40,219
Russell barking oh no that's how we have

2501
01:46:50,379 --> 01:46:44,300
a poodle now Oh Jack Russell died that

2502
01:46:51,459 --> 01:46:50,389
was that was mean of me I'm sorry for

2503
01:46:53,220 --> 01:46:51,469
that last year that you lived though

2504
01:46:56,350 --> 01:46:53,230
that's that is really an amazing story

2505
01:46:58,600 --> 01:46:56,360
can you throw out we have oh I don't

2506
01:47:00,490 --> 01:46:58,610
know maybe about ten minutes or so

2507
01:47:02,379 --> 01:47:00,500
laughs and can you throw out a couple of

2508
01:47:06,490 --> 01:47:02,389
sample questions is that something you

2509
01:47:08,169 --> 01:47:06,500
can find quick let me go to phase one

2510
01:47:09,580 --> 01:47:08,179
just a couple of sample questions I

2511
01:47:12,340 --> 01:47:09,590
won't give you the answers in the

2512
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:12,350
details but while you're looking or are

2513
01:47:18,939 --> 01:47:16,010
you okay go ahead then okay have you

2514
01:47:21,459 --> 01:47:18,949
seen an intelligent and an intelligently

2515
01:47:25,780 --> 01:47:21,469
controlled craft in the sky or on the

2516
01:47:28,030 --> 01:47:25,790
ground that was not man-made hmm another

2517
01:47:29,919 --> 01:47:28,040
question did other witnesses also see

2518
01:47:31,540 --> 01:47:29,929
the craft mm-hmm

2519
01:47:35,410 --> 01:47:31,550
now let me just tell you if you see a

2520
01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:35,420
craft the majority have had witnesses

2521
01:47:42,100 --> 01:47:38,530
okay now another question have you heard

2522
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:42,110
telepathic messages an internal voice in

2523
01:47:46,689 --> 01:47:45,290
your head speaking to you and again we

2524
01:47:48,939 --> 01:47:46,699
associate this with the contact

2525
01:47:50,919 --> 01:47:48,949
experience another question grant this

2526
01:47:52,899 --> 01:47:50,929
is grant Carmen's favorite question do

2527
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:52,909
you believe that you possess information

2528
01:47:58,540 --> 01:47:55,850
about advanced technology advanced

2529
01:48:03,490 --> 01:47:58,550
physics or other scientific information

2530
01:48:06,459 --> 01:48:03,500
that you've never received okay now

2531
01:48:08,830 --> 01:48:06,469
here's the link besides that if you talk

2532
01:48:12,729 --> 01:48:08,840
to all these Richard researchers all of

2533
01:48:15,609 --> 01:48:12,739
them will state that they have had a

2534
01:48:17,649 --> 01:48:15,619
good many of them again I can't give you

2535
01:48:19,979 --> 01:48:17,659
numbers that have actually gotten

2536
01:48:22,419 --> 01:48:19,989
physics downloads science downloads

2537
01:48:24,310 --> 01:48:22,429
things that these are non physicists

2538
01:48:25,030 --> 01:48:24,320
people have no idea these are not

2539
01:48:27,459 --> 01:48:25,040
hillbillies

2540
01:48:29,340 --> 01:48:27,469
you know uneducated folks that all of a

2541
01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:29,350
sudden they're talking about you know

2542
01:48:33,879 --> 01:48:32,330
gravity and this time exists and things

2543
01:48:35,590 --> 01:48:33,889
like that sort you know this is really

2544
01:48:37,330 --> 01:48:35,600
something you know and and I mentioned

2545
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:37,340
earlier about the allagash abductions

2546
01:48:42,490 --> 01:48:39,770
yeah and I'm trying to get and hopefully

2547
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:42,500
I'm going to get Jack Weiner on I had

2548
01:48:46,150 --> 01:48:45,440
his brother Jim and I and Charlie vaults

2549
01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:46,160
on

2550
01:48:51,070 --> 01:48:48,770
which are you know would be three out of

2551
01:48:56,230 --> 01:48:51,080
the four of them

2552
01:48:56,650 --> 01:48:56,240
Jack Wiener had no math background at

2553
01:48:58,480 --> 01:48:56,660
all

2554
01:49:00,990 --> 01:48:58,490
and the reason one of the reasons I want

2555
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:01,000
to get him on is because he came so

2556
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:07,010
mathematically he yeah you know what I'm

2557
01:49:11,380 --> 01:49:09,170
trying to say that he I think he

2558
01:49:12,910 --> 01:49:11,390
actually did some work for NASA on stuff

2559
01:49:14,860 --> 01:49:12,920
let me give you a response to that

2560
01:49:17,950 --> 01:49:14,870
question that's another question that

2561
01:49:20,290 --> 01:49:17,960
our researchers eyeballs pop out hmm

2562
01:49:22,060 --> 01:49:20,300
okay how people answer to that question

2563
01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:22,070
and I'm just after December 1st I can

2564
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:24,170
give you the results of that but it's

2565
01:49:27,940 --> 01:49:26,810
you know it's seldomly talked about but

2566
01:49:29,230 --> 01:49:27,950
yet we address it in our free

2567
01:49:30,460 --> 01:49:29,240
questionnaire again these are all

2568
01:49:32,710 --> 01:49:30,470
questions is the first question there

2569
01:49:37,780 --> 01:49:32,720
another question have you experienced

2570
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:37,790
our body experiences okay again all

2571
01:49:41,980 --> 01:49:39,890
popping questions

2572
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:41,990
can you see energy or auras around

2573
01:49:46,870 --> 01:49:44,570
people okay

2574
01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:46,880
have you had some kind of healing done

2575
01:49:53,020 --> 01:49:50,170
on you by these non-human intelligence

2576
01:49:56,290 --> 01:49:53,030
do you believe that you have observed a

2577
01:49:58,930 --> 01:49:56,300
nonhuman intelligent entity and then we

2578
01:50:01,450 --> 01:49:58,940
go into the descriptions of the various

2579
01:50:03,220 --> 01:50:01,460
entities that people have seen we have

2580
01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:03,230
categories for short grade tall gray

2581
01:50:08,890 --> 01:50:06,050
hybrid insectoid reptilian human looking

2582
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:08,900
spirit form small animal type large

2583
01:50:13,630 --> 01:50:11,930
animal type energy being then we even

2584
01:50:15,880 --> 01:50:13,640
describe how can you describe your

2585
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:15,890
interactions with this v and we go into

2586
01:50:21,450 --> 01:50:18,530
you know positive negative neutral both

2587
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:21,460
positive negative you know etc etc so

2588
01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:25,760
those is just a sample of of some of the

2589
01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:27,890
questions for example how many times did

2590
01:50:31,180 --> 01:50:30,170
they interact with this non-human

2591
01:50:34,120 --> 01:50:31,190
intelligent being

2592
01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:34,130
and again it was i papi huh how many

2593
01:50:37,540 --> 01:50:35,810
times people have had these interactions

2594
01:50:40,540 --> 01:50:37,550
the vast majority have been more than

2595
01:50:43,570 --> 01:50:40,550
twenty you know percent wise in terms of

2596
01:50:44,740 --> 01:50:43,580
the grouping categories that we had let

2597
01:50:49,270 --> 01:50:44,750
me go into Phase two some of the

2598
01:50:51,430 --> 01:50:49,280
questions that phase two okay do you

2599
01:50:54,580 --> 01:50:51,440
ever recall being on an ET craft or a

2600
01:50:57,160 --> 01:50:54,590
ship have you ever been relocated to

2601
01:50:59,160 --> 01:50:57,170
another location and that includes you

2602
01:51:02,100 --> 01:50:59,170
know perceived abductions

2603
01:51:03,060 --> 01:51:02,110
and being relocated but not perceiving

2604
01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:03,070
to be abductions

2605
01:51:08,790 --> 01:51:05,050
so we asked it in a much more broader

2606
01:51:14,040 --> 01:51:08,800
way did you ever have an et contact

2607
01:51:15,210 --> 01:51:14,050
experience in a 3d reality in like here

2608
01:51:19,100 --> 01:51:15,220
on earth have you ever had a near-death

2609
01:51:22,260 --> 01:51:19,110
experience okay have you ever seen uh

2610
01:51:25,620 --> 01:51:22,270
have you ever seen small and less than

2611
01:51:27,420 --> 01:51:25,630
one foot in diameter colored orbs and if

2612
01:51:29,130 --> 01:51:27,430
so where did you see them and we had

2613
01:51:31,320 --> 01:51:29,140
different categories of where people

2614
01:51:34,410 --> 01:51:31,330
might see them we also had a question

2615
01:51:36,930 --> 01:51:34,420
about orbs going through through doors

2616
01:51:39,120 --> 01:51:36,940
through windows through physical objects

2617
01:51:42,200 --> 01:51:39,130
you know we talked about the alien

2618
01:51:45,780 --> 01:51:42,210
reading program we talked about implants

2619
01:51:50,120 --> 01:51:45,790
we talked about how do you believe ETS

2620
01:51:54,090 --> 01:51:50,130
in general or bad or malevolent or evil

2621
01:51:56,130 --> 01:51:54,100
do the ETS have a personality have any

2622
01:51:59,520 --> 01:51:56,140
of these each he's been playful with you

2623
01:52:02,070 --> 01:51:59,530
okay do you believe that you have formed

2624
01:52:04,890 --> 01:52:02,080
some type of an agreement with these ETS

2625
01:52:06,990 --> 01:52:04,900
have you ever had in my lab we had we

2626
01:52:09,770 --> 01:52:07,000
have like maybe 10 my lab related

2627
01:52:12,210 --> 01:52:09,780
questions we have like maybe 20

2628
01:52:14,010 --> 01:52:12,220
abduction related questions we have

2629
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:14,020
various questions about you know

2630
01:52:19,740 --> 01:52:16,810
breeding programs about implants a lot

2631
01:52:21,890 --> 01:52:19,750
of questions about implants we ask

2632
01:52:24,150 --> 01:52:21,900
questions for example let me give you a

2633
01:52:25,950 --> 01:52:24,160
question here do you believe that there

2634
01:52:28,410 --> 01:52:25,960
is a connection between the ETS and the

2635
01:52:30,810 --> 01:52:28,420
paranormal do you believe that there is

2636
01:52:35,330 --> 01:52:30,820
a connection between the ETS and the

2637
01:52:37,530 --> 01:52:35,340
spirit world after death or heaven okay

2638
01:52:39,270 --> 01:52:37,540
let me see let me go into the last

2639
01:52:42,090 --> 01:52:39,280
question here because that's very very

2640
01:52:47,970 --> 01:52:42,100
important here how would you categorize

2641
01:52:51,390 --> 01:52:47,980
your last few eat extraterrestrial

2642
01:52:53,790 --> 01:52:51,400
encounter experiences okay and then we

2643
01:52:55,290 --> 01:52:53,800
had this choice okay this is the last

2644
01:52:56,670 --> 01:52:55,300
few we're not talking about the initial

2645
01:53:01,650 --> 01:52:56,680
because we also had a question about the

2646
01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:01,660
initial initial and it was highly

2647
01:53:09,950 --> 01:53:06,330
negative slightly negative neutral

2648
01:53:12,370 --> 01:53:09,960
slightly positive and highly positive

2649
01:53:17,740 --> 01:53:12,380
again we've had

2650
01:53:21,010 --> 01:53:17,750
a total of 714 individuals that answer

2651
01:53:23,470 --> 01:53:21,020
that question well hey just just to let

2652
01:53:26,169 --> 01:53:23,480
you know we have some in the chat room

2653
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:26,179
that is lives right by Westfall we were

2654
01:53:31,990 --> 01:53:27,530
talking earlier about the Australia

2655
01:53:34,780 --> 01:53:32,000
incident yes and he just clarified that

2656
01:53:36,550 --> 01:53:34,790
the most factual part of it is that the

2657
01:53:40,060 --> 01:53:36,560
craft landed in a wooden area near the

2658
01:53:42,220 --> 01:53:40,070
school and a few very few kids followed

2659
01:53:44,919 --> 01:53:42,230
it there were no beings seen at that

2660
01:53:47,260 --> 01:53:44,929
time but it's still it's still a really

2661
01:53:49,240 --> 01:53:47,270
great case I believe they put a monument

2662
01:53:51,189 --> 01:53:49,250
up yeah I think it was they gave me a

2663
01:53:53,860 --> 01:53:51,199
photo of our money but in my case there

2664
01:53:57,040 --> 01:53:53,870
was a craft it was seen by tons of

2665
01:53:59,740 --> 01:53:57,050
children the children were asked to make

2666
01:54:01,270 --> 01:53:59,750
drawings and independently speak to

2667
01:54:03,250 --> 01:54:01,280
their individual school teachers and

2668
01:54:05,260 --> 01:54:03,260
then as a group about their experiences

2669
01:54:06,580 --> 01:54:05,270
the parents were called in and they

2670
01:54:08,430 --> 01:54:06,590
spoke with their parents about these

2671
01:54:12,399 --> 01:54:08,440
experiences in front of them right and

2672
01:54:15,899 --> 01:54:12,409
so now we only have we only have just a

2673
01:54:18,100 --> 01:54:15,909
little bit over a minute here yes so

2674
01:54:19,180 --> 01:54:18,110
your how are you gonna get the word out

2675
01:54:21,850 --> 01:54:19,190
that's what I want to know how you're

2676
01:54:24,189 --> 01:54:21,860
gonna get the word out about this the

2677
01:54:27,669 --> 01:54:24,199
report wants December 1st rolls rolls

2678
01:54:29,950 --> 01:54:27,679
along well we have again everyone it's

2679
01:54:32,260 --> 01:54:29,960
experienced org which is our website

2680
01:54:36,280 --> 01:54:32,270
Oh our G and we're gonna be publicly

2681
01:54:38,229 --> 01:54:36,290
releasing it to our website that's soon

2682
01:54:40,510 --> 01:54:38,239
to be developed we're gonna be going on

2683
01:54:42,550 --> 01:54:40,520
tons of radio shows to give discussions

2684
01:54:45,790 --> 01:54:42,560
like we've been having you will get the

2685
01:54:47,620 --> 01:54:45,800
data beforehand in PDF files and we have

2686
01:54:49,959 --> 01:54:47,630
requested to speak at the International

2687
01:54:52,780 --> 01:54:49,969
UFO conference we have requested to

2688
01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:52,790
speak at contact in the desert and dr.

2689
01:54:59,620 --> 01:54:55,370
Edgar Mitchell did send those formal

2690
01:55:01,330 --> 01:54:59,630
requests to Alejandro Rojas and to mr.

2691
01:55:04,149 --> 01:55:01,340
Andrews who coordinates contact in the

2692
01:55:07,300 --> 01:55:04,159
desert and we would like to be able to

2693
01:55:10,120 --> 01:55:07,310
be in divide to be invited not only to

2694
01:55:12,310 --> 01:55:10,130
UFO and paranormal related type of

2695
01:55:15,189 --> 01:55:12,320
conferences but also you know to

2696
01:55:19,419 --> 01:55:15,199
universities to psychological

2697
01:55:22,649 --> 01:55:19,429
associations to NASA engineering you

2698
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:22,659
know associations you name it because

2699
01:55:29,020 --> 01:55:25,850
this is way beyond ufology

2700
01:55:31,780 --> 01:55:29,030
apology is one little tiny you know

2701
01:55:34,600 --> 01:55:31,790
grouping here what we're doing in our

2702
01:55:37,480 --> 01:55:34,610
study goes way beyond ufology it deals

2703
01:55:43,150 --> 01:55:37,490
with the total reality of what's going

2704
01:55:45,190 --> 01:55:43,160
on and with this UFOs and and contact

2705
01:55:47,230 --> 01:55:45,200
experience so it deals like whole world

2706
01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:47,240
alright well thanks so much I really

2707
01:55:49,870 --> 01:55:47,930
appreciate it

2708
01:55:52,180 --> 01:55:49,880
there's a lot of fun thank you so much

2709
01:55:54,160 --> 01:55:52,190
Martin once again experience org very

2710
01:55:56,290 --> 01:55:54,170
good okay everyone so I'd like to thank

2711
01:55:58,540 --> 01:55:56,300
a few people for helping out with the

2712
01:56:01,030 --> 01:55:58,550
show we have Keith Roland he's the chief

2713
01:56:03,160 --> 01:56:01,040
bottle-washer of the network here I

2714
01:56:05,530 --> 01:56:03,170
think that's what he said he was for

2715
01:56:09,370 --> 01:56:05,540
producing the audio part of it Alejandro

2716
01:56:11,260 --> 01:56:09,380
Rojas for the news early on I also want

2717
01:56:14,440 --> 01:56:11,270
to thank our guests of course ray

2718
01:56:15,850 --> 01:56:14,450
Hernandez and Peggy shining for managing

2719
01:56:17,380 --> 01:56:15,860
the Facebook page she's been under the

2720
01:56:20,710 --> 01:56:17,390
weather hopefully she'll be back soon

2721
01:56:23,230 --> 01:56:20,720
and music Kerri Lloyd Whitehouse Bruce

2722
01:56:27,910 --> 01:56:23,240
vernier will be back next week same time

2723
01:56:29,980 --> 01:56:27,920
with Mark O'Connell remember don't play

2724
01:56:31,150 --> 01:56:29,990
any games we're trying to support the

2725
01:56:33,130 --> 01:56:31,160
show for anymore because I have to

2726
01:56:36,130 --> 01:56:33,140
figure all that out so we'll be back

2727
01:56:38,230 --> 01:56:36,140
next week right here on the Dark Matter